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Bows / A couple heat treating questions
« Last post by WhistlingBadger on Today at 12:09:47 am »
I'm working on a new piece of Rocky Mountain maple, hoping to get a hunting weight out of this one.  I hear maple does well with a good belly heat treat.  I have a couple questions, though.
1.  I've read a couple places that heat treating maple can make it too brittle.  True, or should I go for it?
2.  There's a pretty serious kink on one limb that I'm going to have to straighten before I can start tillering.  If I steam the kink out, then heat treat, will the heat just put the kink back?  I'm a little scared to try straightening it with just dry heat.
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Flintknapping / Re: Nethers?
« Last post by Muskyman on December 20, 2024, 12:55:56 pm »
Good luck hunting rock Paul. I’m still hoping to make it there one day. Sure is some pretty stuff.
About 2&1/2 hours east of me. Might be fun to stop by Roy Millers place too.
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Bows / Re: Meare Heath bow
« Last post by WhistlingBadger on December 20, 2024, 01:06:07 am »
Well, we're going to have to see some pictures!  I'll be interested to hear how it shoots.  A lot of the Native American bow designs in the TBB are similar--wide limbs and not a lot of taper to the tips.  Honestly some of them look like they'd be just awful to shoot...but the Natives seem to have done OK with them, so there must be something good in the design.  If not smooth and easy shooting, durability maybe?  Maybe we'll be surprised and it will be smooth as butter and fast as greased lightning.  If not, you learned something and that's never a waste of time.  Looking forward to hearing about it.
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Bows / Re: Meare Heath bow
« Last post by bassman211 on December 19, 2024, 11:45:27 pm »
Or used as a double paddle. Any way after many hours of tillering I finished it up this evening. I put a finish on it, and all that is left to do is the leather work. Bow turned out 40lb at 26 inches of draw.  Really thin limbs. If the weather is nice enough tomorrow morning I will shoot through the chrony to check the speed of the bow. If nothing else if I do a good job with the leather  work it will be a nice conversation piece. Hope it doesn't give me tennis elbow, or rattle what few teeth I have left out of my noggin. What ever the results I am glad I made this style of bow just for the experience. Bob,
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Flight Bows / Re: Arvins 62" osage design
« Last post by willie on December 19, 2024, 09:02:42 pm »
87.3 ntn  1" wide 
I estimated some values for a thickness taper that produces equal stress for as far out along the limb as I could.  you cant take equal stress all the way out to the tip.  The resulting bend profile or shape plot is as expected for equal stress.  Stress and strain go hand in hand.

Virtualbow is just a visualizer.  The program does not calculate any limb dimensions for you.
It does predict stress and bend radiuses for whatever you input as widths and thicknesses, and will calculate the draweight once you supply a MOE for stiffness. and
It is up to the user to watch that the stresses do go too high and cause unwanted set,  and the user will need to make allowances for any limb crossections other than rectangular.

woodbears spreadsheet works differently as you need to plug in estimates of the materiel stiffness and set a factor for limb crossection (round to retangular), a strain factor to hopefully prevent set,  and an elasicity factor if you are working with a highly or lowly elastic wood, and some values for relative stress should you want stiff tips or a stiffer handle rather than a circular bendy handled bow.

Next you try various thickness tapers, and the spreadsheet will calculate the approiate widths to suit your givens. If you plug an impratical design into the spreadsheet it will simply show you that you are asking too much of the wood by outputting 6"wide limbs sections or some such.

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Flight Bows / Re: Arvins 62" osage design
« Last post by sleek on December 19, 2024, 08:52:32 pm »
Im sure it would perform better. And the tiller would not resemble one. Just the length and width would be reminiscent of a yumi.
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Flight Bows / Re: Arvins 62" osage design
« Last post by Selfbowman on December 19, 2024, 07:32:20 pm »
Ok 🤠🤠🤠it would look like a yummy bow. Never mind.
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Bows / Re: Meare Heath bow
« Last post by WhistlingBadger on December 19, 2024, 07:01:57 pm »
Well I felt a need to build, and experience shooting one, and  if I were to build another one it would be from birch which is a less dense much lighter wood. When you hold this one in your hand it fells like a small oak tree. I have made some Sudbury bows that felt to heavy in the limbs, and to light in the handle, and  redesigned them to suit me. This design has more wood through the limbs, so I don't think it will be a pleasant shooting experience, but so far it is a fun bow to build. I just built a series of Osage plains bows , so this is a drastic switch. This bow is said to be an enigma maybe for good reason. thanks for the replies. Bob.
Sometimes you just have to give it a shot.  Yew is a pretty dense wood too isn't it?  (I've never had the opportunity to work with it)  Makes you wonder.  Maybe the original was made to club animals and enemies to death instead of shooting them. 
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Flight Bows / Re: Arvins 62" osage design
« Last post by sleek on December 19, 2024, 05:03:02 pm »
Its my opinion that if this hypothetical skinny long bow were to be built, it would be tillered so that the strain is even across the whole bow. If the program can tell you what tiller would look like with even stress, choose that tiller, and the draw length, then the thickness should sort itself out?
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Bows / Re: Meare Heath bow
« Last post by bassman211 on December 19, 2024, 04:50:12 pm »
Well I felt a need to build, and experience shooting one, and  if I were to build another one it would be from birch which is a less dense much lighter wood. When you hold this one in your hand it fells like a small oak tree. I have made some Sudbury bows that felt to heavy in the limbs, and to light in the handle, and  redesigned them to suit me. This design has more wood through the limbs, so I don't think it will be a pleasant shooting experience, but so far it is a fun bow to build. I just built a series of Osage plains bows , so this is a drastic switch. This bow is said to be an enigma maybe for good reason. thanks for the replies. Bob.
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