This will be my fourth and last post here. Obviously, some of you cannot read very well or understand what you are reading. I stand on every word on my website. I have never said I invented fire hardening. A "unique fire hardening method?" Yes. A method that will "revolutionize" how white wood bows are made? The three of us think so and do not think for one minute that we have not read everything that is available to the public. Did I know of Marc's methods - absolutely. Was I using any of Marc's methods when I began to realize something different? Absolutely Not! I, like Thad, am part Native American, 21%. I know the names and burial sites of my ancestors who suffered the mistreatment and horrors of the Trail of Tears. When I stumbled upon my findings, I was practicing the arts of my ancestors and Not Marc's! My people were applying heat to bows long before Marc came on the scene and I was very well aware of that before I ever knew Marc existed. But yet, I still acknowledged modern heat treatment on my website and will do so on my DVD. The methodology I use and the bows I make have no connection to modern heat treatment but is more akin to the ancient ways. My methodology has evolved over the last three years and will probably continue to do so and is currently similar to what many here have probably done; however, the details of the method and the outcomes are drastically different from anything we have ever heard on this board or anywhere else. The greatest benefit of what I am doing is that moisture management becomes obsolete. White wood bows made with my method will not have anymore moisture concerns than Osage. I can spot the exact same Osage bow five (5) pounds and still out shoot it easily with much less hand shock.
While it seems that some here may be used to people referring to them as thieves, liars and charlatans, we are not.
Sleek and others, you all need to stay in your lane on the marketing. I majored in Marketing and Economics and I have five (5) patents. I have very successfully developed, pioneered and marketed several products nationally and internationally all the way to Walmart and the US Government. And you are trying to tell me about marketing? You are so far out of your league, you do not have a clue where the ball field is. The most I have seen from you is a YouTube with a dozen or so viewers. Great stuff.
There are some extremely talented bowyers on this board, wish I was as good as them, but many of you should not flatter yourselves so much just because you are a part of this little gang. You are not nearly as good as you think you are. We had originally hoped to come to this board with what we brought to the table and be part of learning everything there is to know about this. I do not claim to know all the answers to the many questions there will be. Some on this board have been receptive and cordial and we appreciate it. Considering the attitudes of many of you though, I do not have the appetite and have other things to do and think about like a hurricane at this moment. Badger, I welcome and hope you will reach out to me. What Thad said. No need to reply. Not interested. Gone for good.
Wait hold on, I just read what you wrote again
You state that because we dont agree with you our reading comprehension is faulty? And how is that supposed to motivate me to want your information?
As for you feeling like we are stating you claimed to invent fire hardening... We aren't saying that. You are, by omission of precious details. You say you use heat to make bows better, buy your dvd to see how! Well duh, we got that figured out already, thank you Marc for putting forth effort to show how and why heat works, the science behind it, etc... Even if he didnt invent it himself, he gave us understanding of it. Your ad gives no understanding of your product. Bad advertising. If it were GOOD advertising, you would be in such a defensive posture right now would you?
You claim you are native and therefore we should value your opinion more? Hell, I am Scott Irish and Native, Does that mean I can drink, fight and shoot good? Your DNA doesnt make you good at something, if it did, I'd be a rocket surgeon as my grandfather worked on the Apollo project. Trail of tears had nothing to do with your DVD and your attempt to connect the two is disgraceful and disingenuous. You have lost any Intellectual argument when you try to win an argument with emotion rather than logic. So blatant and obvious at that. And I am supposed to think you are smart? Then you state you were following the ways of your people, not Marc's. That makes it YOURS and not Marc's? That gives you rights to it more than him? 21 % native... so proud. Hey, high five to your mom and dad for copulating, you had nothing to do with it, so why are you claiming it to establish your pathos? More like 21% naive.
3 years of methodology... and you say we aren't as good as you. I may have 3 years of bow building if you add every minute I spent making and studying it over the last 9 years. I'm not new, and dont toot my own horn, though I do try to get recognition for accomplishments.... by actually accomplishing them.
All I asked for validation of your claims was some some FPS. You respond with attacking an early first attempt I made at you tube? Seriously? Hell, I cant post images on here well, modern tech ain't my thing, yet because I'm deficant there, that means my ill reception of your whining and bad advertising is invalid? If that's the case, IF I HAD liked your advertising and sympathized with your plight here, it would be an equally invalid a point of view for the same reasons you state that it isn't valid. You boxed yourself in intellectually there. Aside from that, I'm not the guy who claims to have a master's degree in advertising, or who's responsibility it is to actually do the advertising. That's yours and you sucked. Plain and simple. Be glad I'm polite enough to be honest. That's rare these days. Appreciate me.
You state white wood bows can be built without the hand shock of osage. Pardner, my osage doesnt have handshock. That went away when Lebhuntfish, who is less experienced than I am, TAUGHT me through logical explanation ( see, I can learn from younger knowledge) how to time my limbs. I'm a better bowyer for it and appreciate him. Point is, if you have hand shock, you need to build better bows, not better heat treat. Heat wont fix handshock, and moisten doesnt cause it. I can build a green wood bow fresh cut that has no handshock, wont shoot fast, but wont have any shock. Your arguments give away you lack of ability and knowledge in bow making. I'm not nocking you for having trouble with certain things, just saying the obvious here. It's like putting finish on a bow, you want to present it, but only when you polish it do you discover the flaws in your work. Be grateful, improve, and move on.
There should be no difference in performance between osage and any suitable white wood, for a bow. If there is, you didnt do your job well.
Also, learn to present an argument better, you are very deficient in that skill set as well.
