Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Shooting and Hunting => Topic started by: Mesophilic on August 13, 2021, 10:54:42 pm
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Anyone got some quiver suggestions? Spot n stalk style hunting in rough rocky mountain terrain.
I've tried bow mounted, hip, back, and plains style. Each has their pros and cons...some rattle too much, others just get in the way. Can't figure out how to wear a back quiver with a pack on and keep the arrows accessible. Side quivers hang up in undergrowth too much. Plains style make me feel like I've always got to hold on to it with my hand when I'm covering ground to keep it from shifting or bouncing. Bow mounted just throw off the balance of the bow too much for my taste.
Edit: I've even tried mounting a bow quiver to a stick and slinging it with mixed results.
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No suggestions here, but I hear the frustration
Crawling with a back quiver, not easy.
In my Redwing recurve days, I started with a bow quiver, and that made belly crawling easy as pie...the joys of Arizona hunting.
I am using back quivers, but sometimes for the final stalk, I take two arrows and leave the quiver with the boots, ;D.
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I'm with you on this. I've gone back to bow mounted, it seems like the lesser of the evils, but I'm still looking.
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This is the quiver I use for hunting. It is an old Selway bow quiver I disassembled and attached the broadhead cover and arrow holder to a piece of wood and added a shoulder strap. It hangs conveniently by my side for normal carry or can be slipped behind me for stalking or slipped tightly under my arm to carry in tight spaces. It holds the arrows securely and for safe, quiet carry.
I covered the wood body with snake skin and I have a fleece fletch cover I can use during foul weather or to hide the fletching. I keep this cover wrapped around the body of the quiver when not in use.
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If you'd like a better pics I will take some for you.
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It hangs conveniently by my side for normal carry or can be slipped behind me for stalking or slipped tightly under my arm to carry in tight spaces. It holds the arrows securely and for safe, quiet carry.
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If you'd like a better pics I will take some for you.
I like the looks of this. I'd like to see pics of your various carry positions.
Mark
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I'll get my wife to take a few pics this afternoon.
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Pat, I've tried a couple similar to that, but with a pack on, I can't ever get the strap to cooperate and the dang things dangle where I don't want them to.
But you've given me an idea. I'm going to try to see if I an think of a way to do either a second strap or a cross body strap.
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When I hunted in Colorado we hiked in about 2 miles. I had the quiver attached to my full backpack and carried my bow in my hand. I wear a fanny pack when hunting and it never got in the way.
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Here are a few pics, Mark...
(https://i.imgur.com/aSVTZsY.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/SD3bBdg.jpg?1)
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Here are a few pics, Mark...
Thanks, Pat. That clears it up for me.
Mark
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With a backpack I usually take a quiver in the style of a "high noon hunter" by Bobby Ratcliff. I attach it to the backpack so that I can grab an arrow at any time.
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I tend to be a wuss. When I sit most mornings I need a heavy coat, but then I usually still hunt to warm up. On a decent day by 10 or 11 the coat needs to come off. That and something to sit on are the reasons for the pack. I've just had a hard time finding anything short of a bow quiver that works reasonably. I've been thinking of making a 2 arrow bow quiver in conjunction with a pack quiver, I was just hoping to find something not on the bow to work.
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I tend to be a wuss. When I sit most mornings I need a heavy coat, but then I usually still hunt to warm up. On a decent day by 10 or 11 the coat needs to come off. That and something to sit on are the reasons for the pack. I've just had a hard time finding anything short of a bow quiver that works reasonably. I've been thinking of making a 2 arrow bow quiver in conjunction with a pack quiver, I was just hoping to find something not on the bow to work.
When I did a lot of walking starting out on a cool morning which quickly turned into a hot day I kept a light folding pack in my jacket pocket. Its a nylon sack about the size of a small pillow case with draw string closure at the top each end of the draw strings are attached to the lower corners to form shoulder straps.
We used to make basically the same type of impromptu back pack in the Scouts using whatever sturdy sacking was available.
When not in use its completely out of the way and when in use can be used as pack or shoulder bag.
When camping out you can stuff it with dry leaves to use as a pillow or seat cushion.
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I use what Pat showed, I made up several for old bow quivers and ones I got use to carrying them I love them. I also usually carry a day pack so back quivers don't work and hate a quiver on my bow.
Pappy
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It just occurred to me that the old tube type belt quiver that came with by Bear Black Fox bow would fit neatly in the opening of the pocket pack I described, held tightly by the drawstrings. A piece of sponge or rolled up wash cloth could be stuffed in the quiver to keep the arrows from rattling around or falling out. I may give that a try.
As it is I found a really nice cowhide quiver at a discount that I'm very pleased with. Its intended as a belt quiver but I added a strap to make it an across the back quiver. It has several D rings that allow various methods of carry.
I normally only use three arrows at a time while practicing in the backyard so I generally hold two in the bow had against the grip while one is nocked. I can make follow up shots fairly quickly this way so if hunting that's probably the way I'd go. Most primitive hunters on foot seem to do the same.
Hunters carried fewer arrows than those on the war path. They weren't going to waste any.
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Carrying 3 broadheads in your hand while hunting sounds pretty dangerous to me. I once cut the bowstring that way. Bow string is annoying. Vital artery is a different story.
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Meso....
I use a version of a cat quiver.They've been around for 50 some years.Here's my version from critters I kill and tan.
If you look closely you can see my milk weed wind detector dispenser still in it's pod center of my chest.Seeds are removed and the fluff is reinserted.Very lightweight quiver.Crawling or climbing it stays put out of the way for me.Going through overhead brush it does'nt catch either.
Fisher coon
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Retrieving arrows with little arm movement to spook game.
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I use a split dogwood shaft sewn into the opening of the belly of the critter.A bobcat version shown too.I make these out of beef rawhide too resembling a tube.
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Ed, thanks for posting!
I had been trying to figure out just how to do that but the missing piece is the wooden frame contraption. Glad you posted this. I'm going to look through my materials and see if I can make one.
Have you written a book yet? Someone with connections to publishers...say Primitive Archer...should get with you for a book deal. Maybe even a collaboration, so you just go about your business and an author does the writing.
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It took me a minute to figure out what kind of monster coon had claws like in the first picture. LOL!!
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I also use a side stalker style quiver for target shooting and 3D shoots. Easier to use in those settings for me. I made this one for a friend. I use a tapered wood plug in the end for cleaning purposes and when replace the foam broadhead protector is needed.
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Ed, thanks for posting!
I had been trying to figure out just how to do that but the missing piece is the wooden frame contraption. Glad you posted this. I'm going to look through my materials and see if I can make one.
Have you written a book yet? Someone with connections to publishers...say Primitive Archer...should get with you for a book deal. Maybe even a collaboration, so you just go about your business and an author does the writing.
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Mesophilic.....For a 24" long quiver take a green tapered dogwood or some similar shoot of 3/8" thickness on the big end 22" long.Tie off with artificial sinew or better yet real sinew [glaze over with shellack later after dried]5" from the big end and 5" from the narrower end.Split very carefully the center 12".Use wedges to hold it apart in a crescent shape with the center around 3" wide.Let it dry a few weeks and it'll stay that way.Sew it to your split bellied critter.
If made right these leather fur type quivers don't rattle the shafts either while stalking or roving.
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I use a version of a cat quiver
Would the term come from the slight resemblance to a sun dried road kill cat?
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The term cat quiver comes from it's silent,stealthy and hidden usage.Just as a cat hunts.No outside arm movement from the body to spook game getting another arrow.If you hunt using it there's no misunderstanding the reason for the name.
Here's the build-a-long of the bobcat quiver mesophilic.I've shortened up the carrying strap since then.
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,67590.0.html
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Thanks again, now I got me some reading to do this afternoon.
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About the cat and back quivers: how do you make sure that razor sharp broadheads don't scrape up or wreck the bottom of the quiver? I love the look of these!
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I can turn my plains quiver upside down and arrows still stay in.. love it.. can carry on front, side or slip to where it rides on top of tailbone... I shoot only woodies or cane out of it.. no carbon or aluminum .. dead quite too.. no rattling or noises..to me the absolute best quiver there is.. gut
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Jon_W, I use a 1" to 2" thick foam in the bottom of a back quiver I made recently and on the side stalker style I attach it to the tapered end plug.
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Jon_W....A 1/4" thick four inches deep veg tanned leather cup is at the bottom for broadheads.The scraping/damaging or cutting through as you refer to it from the broadheads through the veg tanned cup has never developed into a problem.I've used 1/8" thick sewn into a cup damp rawhide inserted and form fitted to be left to dry into the nose for this before too.Both type cups stay put in quiver and don't need to be replaced ever.At least not in my lifetime.
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That's an excellent quiver you've got there too Pat.I've made those before too out of harness leather.They are a bit heavier in weight though.
The shafts can rattle too as in my rawhide tube quiver unless a wad of grass is inserted in amongst the shafts.
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Carrying 3 broadheads in your hand while hunting sounds pretty dangerous to me. I once cut the bowstring that way. Bow string is annoying. Vital artery is a different story.
I stuck a broadhead in my leg last season :fp (lol)
luckily didn't cut any arteries but it was quite deep not a pleasant experience
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I love your quivers bow Ed there really nice, I'm going to have to try that style
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Great build along, Ed. Gives me a couple of ideas for the full fox hide I have. Maybe should practice with a lesser hide, though.
Hawkdancer
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Mesophilic.....For a 24" long quiver take a green tapered dogwood or some similar shoot of 3/8" thickness on the big end 22" long.Tie off with artificial sinew or better yet real sinew [glaze over with shellack later after dried]5" from the big end and 5" from the narrower end.Split very carefully the center 12".Use wedges to hold it apart in a crescent shape with the center around 3" wide.Let it dry a few weeks and it'll stay that way.Sew it to your split bellied critter.
If made right these leather fur type quivers don't rattle the shafts either while stalking or roving.
I cut a shoot of elm, don't have many options here. Split great and in my climate, I'll have it dry in 3 days ;D
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That should do the trick for ya.
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That should do the trick for ya.
It was dry, it was beautiful...and then I broke it >:(
Going to try again with a new strategy. Might switch to a fresh shoot of wild rose.
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Fresh shoot would be your best bet.
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It was dry, it was beautiful...and then I broke it >:(
Sounds like my typical bow build (--)
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Fresh shoot would be your best bet.
It was fresh. Things dry out real fast here. What takes weeks in the midwest or back east takes only days here. But the dryness, consequently, things like wood end up alot more brittle.
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as soon as you cut it, split it. :OK
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Can I just cut a hole in the side of the quiver and whip stitch it?
I've got a fur in, tube type quiver made from bear hide. If I sling it on my lower back, I could cut an oval on the side facing away from me. Whip stitch it and use that as an opening to pull arrows.
Whatcha think?
My elm trees are getting a little bare as I keep trying to split branches for this project. Not sure this rock elm/chinese elm hybrid is up to the stresses of bending and shaping. My only other options are wild Rose's and pussy willow.
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I have two Plains Style quivers (1 made of otter and one made of seal.) In both I cut a slit about 8 - 10 inches long in the lower third (right next to the stiffening rod) so that I can wear and use these quivers similar to the quivers presented by Bow Ed. The quivers are as long as the arrows and thus did arrows are well protected stowed in the quiver.
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Can I just cut a hole in the side of the quiver and whip stitch it?
I've got a fur in, tube type quiver made from bear hide. If I sling it on my lower back, I could cut an oval on the side facing away from me. Whip stitch it and use that as an opening to pull arrows.
Whatcha think?
My elm trees are getting a little bare as I keep trying to split branches for this project. Not sure this rock elm/chinese elm hybrid is up to the stresses of bending and shaping. My only other options are wild Rose's and pussy willow.
I always cut the hole center of the belly lengthwise 10 to 12 inches long.Not on the side.
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Here are a few pics, Mark...
(https://i.imgur.com/aSVTZsY.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/SD3bBdg.jpg?1)
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Selway currently makes a quiver pretty similar to this. It's meant to hang from your belt, but could be modified easily to be used the way you use yours.
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I'm trying out a Sidewinder hip adapter thingy. Since I can't figure out how to post normal size pics, I'll have to let you google it.
Uses a bow mount quiver and it adapts that quiver to a belt attachment. I put a leg retention strap on the bottom to keep it a little more stable.
So far so good.