Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Badly Bent on November 11, 2012, 07:51:34 pm
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This is the second white oak I've made and just finished. Gave it the name of 'burnt toast' because of the deep heating she had. Reflex heated in and I really didn't expect or want that much reflex to stay in it. Shoots with some handshock and now that I see the pics I think it may be due to poor tiller. Anyway; 58" ntn, 48# @ 26" and plenty o' propellor twist. Thanks for looking gang.
Greg
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Tiller looks spot on to me. What did you finish it with?
Nice work
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Daaamn dude that looks awesome! I don't think the tiller is the reason for the handshock because it can't get much better than that. Really nice finish, too, just the way i like it.
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Great looking bow. I dont see a pic of the one with poor tiller tho.
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Finish looks sweet...
Im gonna play devils advocate and disagree with everyone about the tiller being perfect. I disected it and drew a straight line from tip to tip. I think your handshock is coming from a hair to stiff of a bottom limb..it looks like the bottom limb tip is about almost an inch behind the top limb tip,and looks a hair stiff by that black wrap. Brace profile shows around a 3/8" positive tiller too. As long as it shoots good and the handshock doesn't bother ya too much then just leave it. I like the unbraced profile,and it should have some zip.
Not picking on ya,just explaining what I'm seeing from the pics. Which doesn't tell the whole story as I know.
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Sweet bow like the finish.
Rob
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Looks really nice Greg. Great finish on that one. Agree on the bottom limb, but it's probably picking at nits. Better than a lot of mine.
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Beautiful bow Greg. How wide are your limbs? The first ones I made out of white oak, I overbuilt some, too wide, tips too heavy.... thinking I was dealing with some other type of oak or a lesser bow wood.... which made my hand sting some. I have learned to go with narrower limbs and thinner tips - white oak will take the strain and shoot sweeter that way... All that said, I really like it and I think you finish a bow with the best of them!! Tiller looks pretty doggone good to me. Pics are hard to tell by... I think that bow i posted with that doe the other day might have been 1 3/8" at the fades down to about 3/8 at the tips..... I couldn't wait till season is over - I am chasing a ring on that BL right now.
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Thanks Dictionary, finish is leather dye with 7 coats tru oil followed by 3 coats satin spar.
Thanks Zion
Thanks Turtle
Yeah Chris I think your right about tiller being cause of shock, it is 3/8" pos. tiller at top limb too just as you guessed. Top limb does a weird whoopty doo out of fade and I tried to get tiller closer to 3/16" than 3/8" but couldn't for some reason. My tiller eye is an on again
off again thing lol. Gonna have to leave this one as finished though.
Thanks Trapper Rob
Thanks Simbob and yeah I agree on the bottom limb to after looking at the pic more. :)
Thanks Howard, limbs are 1 1/2" at widest. I will be getting more white oak in the future to play with, like the stuff. Good luck with that
locust stave and remember I have another saved for you.
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If its to much hand shock for you send her to me, that is one incredibly nice bow. ;D
Jon
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That is one sick bow there !!!!!!!very cool looking, very cool! >:D
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Thanks Infrit
Thanks Soy
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Nice finish, great looking bow. Hope you can get the hand-shock issues fixed.
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Nice looking bow Greg. A little handshock just separates the men from the boys.
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Nice looking bow Greg. A little handshock just separates the men from the boys.
Yup..the men like it smooth and the boys like it rough..lol :laugh:
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So what category do you fall into Chris??
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Nice job, BB. Cool finish!! 8)
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So what category do you fall into Chris??
Wish I could say all the remarks that come to my mind >:D but....the last billion times I used the restroom its clear I'm a man..lol :laugh:
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Nice bow. The bottom limb maybe a bit stiff but it's the top limb that is giving you grief with the hand-shock. The outer 1/3 of that limb is stiff. It's the outer limbs that contribute to hand-shock
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First off we don't know what Greg's definition of "handshock" is...some guys bows I have shot will rattle my toes,but they'll tell ya there's no handshock.
I respectfully disagree with you Marc about the top limb. I see it bending all the way up until 4" away from the tips,and they aren't overly wide or thick either. The unbraced profile shows a reflexed outer limb and at full draw you can see it bent over till 4" away from the tip. I have had bows that have had outta sync limbs that gave me a "thump" in the hand,but when I corrected them to be in time it significantly reduced the thump to almost nothing at all.
Since we don't know Greg's definition,and haven't shot it,or seen the bows limbs move in action,then its hard to say for sure. But I do see that outer top limb bending enough to not cause a huge issue.
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Great bow and is just fine the way it is but it is that upper limb that is stiff. So you have, in effect, a 10" long upper tip. None of my bows are perfect either.
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Very nice bow. You did well. Jawge
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First off we don't know what Greg's definition of "handshock" is...some guys bows I have shot will rattle my toes,but they'll tell ya there's no handshock.
I respectfully disagree with you Marc about the top limb. I see it bending all the way up until 4" away from the tips,and they aren't overly wide or thick either. The unbraced profile shows a reflexed outer limb and at full draw you can see it bent over till 4" away from the tip. I have had bows that have had outta sync limbs that gave me a "thump" in the hand,but when I corrected them to be in time it significantly reduced the thump to almost nothing at all.
Since we don't know Greg's definition,and haven't shot it,or seen the bows limbs move in action,then its hard to say for sure. But I do see that outer top limb bending enough to not cause a huge issue.
I guess we see something different
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Thanks Hrothgar glad you like it.
Jon and Chris, you guys are cracking me up. :laugh:
Thanks Leskin.
Marc, thanks for your input, you and Blackhawk both are far ahead of me in bow building knowledge so your insight is really appreciated.
I think I'll have to get a couple more full draw pics of this bow and study them myself and hopefully learn a little something. The hand
shock in this bow is more than just a gentle thump so something is off. Just not sure exactly where the problem is and not sure I would
be able to find it on my own so thanks again for the input.
Thanks steve b.
Thanks Jawge :)
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Nice bow ;D shock or not!
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i'm a fan of your bows Greg, like you style, Bub
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Thanks Knapper :)
Thanks Bub glad your liking my bows, I just got to get the bend down like a few of your white oak babies that I've seen posted here.
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Good looking bow Looks like a good job on the tiller concedering what you said you was working with,it's a wood bow. ;) :)
Pappy
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Thanks Pappy, your right about them wood bows, can't always get em' just the way you want them. :)
Greg
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When you draw the bow does it feel like it tries to pivots in your hand?
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Marc, Just drew her back a few times with an open hand and no pivoting at all, draws rather smooth actually. I'm posting another full draw pic from the other side for your opinion. Tiller looks much worst to me from this side, what do think is wrong? Thanks much!
Greg
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Sorry forgot photo :o
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If the bow draws smoothly then even though you have 3/8" positive tiller then that is what it needs. Tiller looks good but the outer limbs, both of them, are a bit stiff. For the top limb it's more like the outer 1/3 of the limb is a bit stiff with most of the work being done by the inner 2/3. It's still a good looking bow and you could just use slightly heavier arrows in it to tame it down.
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Somebody edjucate me please. My initial thought was the single string silencer may be part of it, since everyone seems to take such great care to place them "just right" on upper and lower string evenly spaced (just doing what i'm told there and it works out fine). Would that not be like adding 10-20 grains to the bottom and throw it slightly off balance? Since nobody mentioned it, i'm just wondering what i'm missing!
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Thanks Marc I was thinking like you on the limb tips and mostly the top third, you confirmed it. I should take these photos prior to finishing my bows to assess tiller. May rework this one after hunting season.
K-hat, not sure about the weight or balance issue with the single silencer. I've used them with success on other bows, maybe I'll take it off and shoot to see if there is a difference, worth a try right.
Thanks guys
Greg
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Nice bow. I love your style, very distinct.
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Got distracted by my question... She's a beauty!! Love the coloration and finish. Looks kind of primitive yet refined ;)
Hope she hunts well for you :)
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i think Mark's right about the arrow, i've had some with light arrows rattled abit, then go heavier with an arrow and made a big differance, Bub