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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #75 on: October 20, 2008, 12:04:42 am »
Orcbow, I bought a video on how to braintan...so I know how to do it.  I just don't have the space (yet). ;D

Destructo, here's where I buy my fish glue (8 oz.)----http://www.ecrios.com/Fish-Glue.htm
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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #76 on: October 20, 2008, 01:04:23 am »
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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #77 on: October 20, 2008, 01:08:53 am »
No problem Destructo. ;D

Maybe someone out there will look at that link and say "Hey, I can get it cheaper than that!".  If so, please let us know.
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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #78 on: October 20, 2008, 08:07:20 am »
Orcbow, I bought a video on how to braintan...so I know how to do it.  I just don't have the space (yet). ;D

Cool! You won't be disappointed!! Just don't try to do a buffalo right off! 10 million times harder than deer!

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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #79 on: October 20, 2008, 10:52:05 am »
Buffalo is a pain in the butt.....Good to know. ;)

I've got a few salted deer hides and I'm just waiting for the right time to get 'em tanned up.
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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #80 on: October 20, 2008, 01:51:41 pm »
OK, the bow now has sinew applied to the sides and it's been drying for a few days.
I got a little too zealous and put sinew too high on the back (in the handle area) and the sinew separated from the back.
(Note: I did not wrap the sinew with twine this time.)
So I just trimmed it off with a knife.  This did not affect the first course of sinew.

Sanding the remaining sinew "hight spots".




I checked the alignment of the tips and, sure enough, the wood has "remembered" some of it's original shape.
(I guess the moisture in the sinew affected the wood?)
Anyway, the original shape was much worse that this, so I guess it's not too bad.
I just hope that it doesn't change much during final tillering.



I added a second course of sinew to the back and let it dry for a few days.
(The second course was not wrapped with twine)
I didn't apply the sinew to the handle area...just the limbs.
I hope you can see that there is no second course of sinew over the handle area in the pic below.



Lower tip with sinew on back and side.

Other tip.

Sanding rough spots on second course of sinew.
The second course is not as important as the first, so I'm not too worried about sanding through the fibers.



Wrapping the lower tip with sinew & glue.

Adding shoulder nock.

Applying layer of glue (straight from the bottle) over the second course of sinew.



As you can see from the last pic, I wrapped the limb (about 1" wide).  I did this to cover a small splinter on the belly.  Then I wrapped the other limb for symmetry.  Then I remembered that I hadn't finished the tillering (OOPS!)....oh well.  ;D  I'm hoping the final tiller looks good.  If there is a problem, and I have to remove the sinew wrap (to scrape wood off the belly), it's no big deal.....just kind of a pain.  I'm crossing my fingers.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2008, 06:34:13 pm by jackcrafty »
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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #81 on: October 20, 2008, 02:58:22 pm »
Patrick, what's the purpose of the sinew on the side of the bow?

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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #82 on: October 20, 2008, 03:30:27 pm »
Heck, I dunno. ;D  It looks cool?

As far as I can tell, the sinew on the sides helps to strengthen the "corners" of the bow's cross section.  I think it also helps to prevent splitting along the sides where the grain runs out. Most of the original sinewed bows had rounded backs, and tapered very gradually from handle to tip, so most of them didn't need sinew on the sides.  I put sinew on mine as a safety measure because this stave was not of the best quality.


« Last Edit: October 20, 2008, 06:37:29 pm by jackcrafty »
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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #83 on: October 21, 2008, 09:07:59 pm »
The sinew wrapping has dried for a couple days....and I'm getting a little impatient...so I strung the bow with the new string and shot it about 20 times at 12" draw (last night).

Here's the bow braced with the new string:

Sinew wrapping on the handle area (back):

Sinew wrapping (belly):

Upper tip:

Lower tip:

Braced view from one end:

Brace height 4-1/2":



OK, 1st reading @ 12" draw:

2nd reading:

3rd reading:

12" draw

Bow unbraced:


The last reading @12" draw was on Oct 11 (reply #65)......and was 27.8 lb.
Currently the draw weight @12" is 29.3 lb.....gain of 1.5 lb.
(This data was corrected on 11-19-08.  I previously showed no increase in draw weight)

Weight (mass) of bow: 14.55 oz.
Mass before sinew was 12.9 oz.



Mass of string: 174 grains (0.4 oz).

Strings should be no more than 3 grains per 10# of draw weight (TBB).
So, a 55lb bow should have a string of no more than 165 grains.
This string is 61" long but the nock-to-nock measurement is 46".
So.....the actual working part of the string is lighter than 174 grains:
174/61=2.85 grains per inch x 46"=131 grains.  This is well under the 3 grains per 10# limit.

There's already a little wear on the loop from bracing/unbracing.
It usually doesn't get much worse than this.
The loop area is pretty thick anyway and can handle the wear.



I'm going to let the bow dry for another week before I mess with it again. ;D
« Last Edit: November 19, 2008, 10:50:12 am by jackcrafty »
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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #84 on: October 22, 2008, 02:30:36 pm »
The next thing to consider, at this point, is the final look of the bow.  I'm thinking of going with a replica of a Blackfeet bow that I saw in Jim Hamm & Steve Allely's book (It's listed as Blackfoot in the book).  Here's a picture of that same bow (?) from the Division of Anthropology (AMNH) site:
(It's listed as a Blackfeet bow on the AMNH site)

Dimensions:
L = 113cm (44-1/2" tip to tip)
W = 8.2cm (3-1/4" from back of bow to string)
H = 3.2cm (1-1/4" wide at the handle)

The bow appears to be painted black (or brown) with red bands....with a braided hair ornament tied to the upper tip.
(The AMNH site says that there is a skull "carving" with the bow.  I guess there is a small carved skull effigy hanging alongside the braided hair?)
Anyway, I'll need to cut off the extra wood from the upper tip of my bow so that it will look more like the one in the photo.

I will also make a quiver similar to the one in the photo.

Whatcha think?
« Last Edit: October 22, 2008, 02:55:03 pm by jackcrafty »
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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #85 on: October 22, 2008, 02:36:28 pm »
Hey Pat, looking good and killer build-along. I have another question: Are the shoulder knocks permanent? Or are you going to carve knocks? The Blackfeet replica in the foto looks like it has shoulder knocks like what you're doing, that's the reason I ask.

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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #86 on: October 22, 2008, 02:43:57 pm »
Thanks. ;D
The shoulder nocks on my bow are permanent.  I usually don't carve nocks into my juniper bows anyway.
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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #87 on: October 24, 2008, 12:35:59 pm »
While the sinew on the bow is curing, I'm going to start working on some arrows.  Here's a pic of a set of actual Blackfeet arrows (from AMNH site):


They are 66cm long (26"), with iron arrowheads, eagle feathers?, and red paint over the sinew wraps.  The shaftments appear to be painted red and yellow.  I don't see any shaft grooves (lightning marks).

I will be using privet shafts with goose feather fletching and steel points.  For now, I'll straighten the shoots, make the arrowheads, mix up the paint (fish glue + pigment), and trim the feathers.  I mix the paint in small amounts (in a small container like a bottlecap) and then let it dry...then I re-wet the paint and apply like regular watercolor.

I'll post pics of the process for making the arrows (to match the bow) if anyone's interested.
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Patrick Blank
Midland, Texas
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Where's Rock? Public Waterways, Road Cuts, Landscape Supply, Knap-Ins.
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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #88 on: October 24, 2008, 01:03:47 pm »
I've made arrows like these before, with goose fletching. Is it just me (us), or do the goose feathers really seem to look good on long-fletched arrows?

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Re: Sinew Backed, Double Curve Bow
« Reply #89 on: October 24, 2008, 01:14:57 pm »
Yep, long goose feather fletching looks really good.

I think I'm going to glue down the feathers on these Blackfeet replicas (the fletchings in the picture appear to be glued down).  Usually, on plains arrows, I just wrap the ends of the feathers.  Either way works for me. ;D
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Patrick Blank
Midland, Texas
Youtube: JackCrafty, Allergic Hobbit, Patrick Blank

Where's Rock? Public Waterways, Road Cuts, Landscape Supply, Knap-Ins.
How to Cook It?  200° for 24hrs then 275° to 500° for 4hrs (depending on type), Cool for 12hr