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Offline nugget

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hide glue ?
« on: June 11, 2008, 10:42:51 pm »
the knox gelitain you buy in the store is hide glue right? ???. Ok it might not be totally primitive but 1 step at a time.
what is the way you fellers use it. do you follow the instructions on the box ? or is there a better way to use it?  I need a little advice
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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 10:47:14 pm »
Knox works great. You want to mix it a lot stouter than the package instructions. Mix the powder with a bit of cold water, then heat it up in a double boiler or something that you can keep the temp about 120 or below. From there you can add water or powder until it's like thin syrup. It has to be heated to use. If you try mixing the powder in hot water to begin with, it clumps up really bad.
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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2008, 10:50:16 pm »
the know gelitain you buy in the store is hide glue right? ???. Ok it might not be totally primitive but 1 step at a time.
what is the way you fellers use it. do you follow the instructions on the box ? or is there a better way to use it?  I need a little advice

Dissolve each envelope you use in 1/4 cup of water...set aside and let it soak it up...then warm the mixture up to where you can barely keep you finger in it...120-125 degrees.....you want to add more water if needed to get the Mixture like a thin Maple Syrup...the you are ready to go.....any other Questions?? You are better off with real Hide Glue but this will work

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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2008, 11:02:42 pm »
is this good for wood to wood?

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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2008, 11:07:27 pm »
It's great for wood to wood....violin makers have been using hide glue forever.....
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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2008, 11:10:23 pm »
Once you are done do you just keep it in the fridge?
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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2008, 11:16:08 pm »
just seems strange to glue wood together with jello!

So, uh...can I eat yellow glue, too?

And what about moisture? 

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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2008, 11:18:20 pm »
Or pour it into something shallow so it spreads out thin and let it dry. Radius, Tim Baker tested Knox as being stronger than TB, URac, or almost any other glue for wood/wood. It's just not waterproof. All the old Turkish/Asian composite horn bows were put together with hide and fish glues.
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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2008, 11:19:24 pm »
just seems strange to glue wood together with jello!

So, uh...can I eat yellow glue, too?

And what about moisture? 

C/Mon...you mean to tell me ....when you were young....you didnt piour glue on your School Desk...and let it fry....then eat it......ah...dont tell me I am the only weirdo that did this!!!!

I always seal my Hide Glue Sinew wrapped tips with Spar Varnish...keeps it from getting wet
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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2008, 11:19:35 pm »
  Nugget ,yea just put it in the frige until you need it next time. Just heat it up and add a little water, like heatin' up thin gravy.
  radius, yea you can eat it. Or use real hide glue, the gelatin out of the canned hams.
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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2008, 11:22:48 pm »
Hell Spam is mostly Gelatin....like eating Hide Glue with some Meat Scraps....but I better not knock Spam....Manny might get mad....you know how them People from Hawaii get about their Spam!!!! ;)
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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2008, 11:25:22 pm »
i'd rather eat EPOXY than spam!

so let me hear this one more time:  I can glue backings on with jello or whatever, and that is stronger than PVA glue?  And as long as I protect it from moisture, it'll hold?  Tung oil be good enough?

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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2008, 11:27:21 pm »
i'd rather eat EPOXY than spam!

so let me hear this one more time:  I can glue backings on with jello or whatever, and that is stronger than PVA glue?  And as long as I protect it from moisture, it'll hold?  Tung oil be good enough?

Never tried Tung Oil....but I have two Bows that are Sinewed with Hide Glue...and only sealed wit Beeswax and Tallow mix...works great...just have to redo it about twice a Year....
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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2008, 11:28:18 pm »
  I've got cans in my Jeep stashed. The way gas is getting , it might start tasting real good. Hide glue to food, here we go. ;D That didn't take long.
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Re: hide glue ?
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2008, 11:29:35 pm »
and so, does the jello have the shrinking properties that is supposed to be so good with sinew?