Mollegabet Elm - Handshock Bad Quality

[Rowan Bows]

At least thats what the cutomer said 😁

Molle Recurve Elm intense HT 45#@28"

I really didn´t understand what the problem was with this bow it shoots very smooth. A problem was the reflex end deflex limb so the handle angle is quiet a bit forward and tiller in brace heigh is a bit akward. If you grab too hard yes it shocks a bit but thats not the way I shoot.

Speed test ~170fps @10gpp 450gn arrow I know thats not lightspeed but in my opinion ok

[Rowan Bows]

few more pics

[lonbow]

170 fps with 10 gpp is not bad at all. There is only one thing that I can see: how wide is your working limb at the transition to the lever? It seems a bit too wide to me. Maybe you can try narrowing down the working limbs at the outer third for a smooth transition. This would reduce the mass of the working limbs quite a bit.
Best wishes, lonbow

[RyanY]

My guess is the tiller shape isn’t elliptical enough for those wide working limbs. Lots of mass movement even with fairly skinny tips.

[Rowan Bows]

I dont feel any handshock but narrowing the levers should be worth a try 🤔

[Hamish]

Does the customer have any experience with self bows? If they shoot molded grip, Olympic target bows or compounds, then they might expect it to shoot like them? They are different birds,  and that to me is an unreasonable expectation.


I wouldn't touch the tiller on this bow, until you get an idea of what this guy thinks is acceptable, ie see the type of bow he shoots, how he shoots, perhaps even shoot it yourself. What weight arrows does he shoot? If they are too light that might contribute to perceived shock.
 Have the customer shoot some of your other bows, and see if they find one that they like. Only then will you get a true picture whether your customers expectations are realistic.

If they are not realistic, politely and diplomatically tell them so and offer a refund. (personally I would take a non refundable deposit when you agree to make someone a bow 30-50%).

You get some people that expect the unobtainable. Even if you manage to give it too them, at a fair price then its still not good enough, and too expensive. This type of person is not worth your trouble.

[Rowan Bows]

It was an internet sold. He said he also shoots selfbows but looking his instagram he seems to be more in laminated longbows- didnt find any selfbow pig. I think the molle is ok but you should´nt force it or grab it hard in any direction. Speed could be better, my other recurve mollies were faster but hey... its wood

[Del the cat]

Bow looks fine to me... if I had to be picky I'd say upper limb looks a tad stiff mid limb.
MY guess is that the customer is gripping the bow too hard or with the wrong grip. IMO a lot of "handshock" is just down to an uncomfortable grip. I've had bows that would jar on my knuckle, a few minutes with a big half round file and the problem was solved.
I'd just avoid that customer in future, someone else will love that bow.
Del

[superdav95]

I agree del. Perceived  Handshock can also be very subjective.  This bow also looks fine to me.  Tiller looks good and the transitions also look good as far as I can see.  Removing more wood at the transitions  It’s a fine tuning game of millimeters until you take it just past the edge and a tip breaks or splits.  If the bow shoots smooth for you with a 10gpp arrow then send him with an arrow with the bow perhaps as he may likley be shooting too light a weight arrow and or spine.  Also his arrow nocks may be too tight and grabbing the string a bit too tight upon release. This can cause some unwanted noise and vibrations too.  Just a thought.  I’ve made molles just like this and mine shoot smooth too.  I wouldn’t change anything till you do some digging into what arrow this guys shoots, how he shoots ie grip and form and such and if his nocks are too tight. 

Cheers

Dave

[scp]

IMHO the static tips can be lightened a bit more, especially at the ends.
I would double check the arrow rest position and nocking point.

[Selfbowman]

What does the bow weigh? I’m guessing it should come in at about 21-24 oz for that draw weight . If it’s in that range he’s to picky. Nice bow by the way. Arvin

[diliviu]

I've never made such a beauty. Nor any bow to shoot over 150 fps at 9-10 gpp,  28".
But I've shot some bows, laminated and selfbows, including some quality ones.
Like others have already said, I think it's more an issue of unrealistic expectations, or low gpp possibly combined with too firm grip.
If I had been able to make such a beauty, the only thing I would have changed would've been a handle a tad deeper (because it is finely narrowed) and a tad more bulbous through the belly center (but not shorter).
(But I might as well judge wrong the handle height from the picture.)

[simk]

Looks like fine work, no obvious flaws for sure 🤗 if it shoots as it looks it should be very nice bow. but if you dont see in person and shoot yoursef it gets difficult at this point. How long is it?
Cheers

[Rowan Bows]

thanks for your replies, suggestions and tips guys. maybe I should really narrow the outer limbs but Im kinda like worried what happens to the tiller then. I tiller my mollies like circular in the working limb. like if you draw a line from fades to cross section you have a small circular bow. I dont have a kitchen libra to weight it but the handle is quiet narrow so I dont know if these number would give an issue

[Selfbowman]

Looks great no matter