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Offline IrishJay

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Curve in grain
« on: November 27, 2019, 05:20:59 pm »
I just split this stave out today, it has some nice natural reflex and the one limb was almost floor tillered right off the split. The other limb also has some reflex, but it also has curve in the grain about a third of the way out that deflexs it in that one spot. Here are some picks of the limbs and the belly grain at the problem spot. I want to heat bend the kinked limb out so it matches the other, but I'm fraid I'm going to get seperation the way the rings/grain are in the spot.








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Offline PatM

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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2019, 06:52:34 pm »
That's really of no consequence.  It looks more like your roughing out is too rough more than anything.   Rasp it and scrape it to a tidier look and re-assess. 
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Offline IrishJay

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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2019, 07:23:19 pm »
Working on scrapping it down more, will post some new pics when it get closer to floor tiller
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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2019, 08:18:21 pm »
What type of wood is it?
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Offline IrishJay

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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2019, 08:46:28 pm »
BJ its the wood from pages 2 and 3 of this thread:

http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,66772.0.html

I think its either some member of the hickory family or possible osage sap wood(its yellow but my camera isn't capturing just how yellow it is. ) Others have suggested elm, but its very hard, strong and dense, plus the color seems wrong for elm.

Here are some cleaner pics. The questionable spot is so rough because my scraper is catching the grain there and not getting a clean scrape.



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Offline IrishJay

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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2019, 08:51:13 pm »
The slab in the background is what I splitit from you can see how amber it's turned while drying.
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Offline IrishJay

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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2019, 11:31:56 pm »
Got the kink out out that limb and it evened things up pretty well, but now Ive got 6" of reflex. Once I reduce the handle/fades area a bit I think I might deflex it a touch.

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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2019, 01:28:30 am »
Yes much more than 2 inches of reflex is a bad thing on a wood bow.
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Offline SLIMBOB

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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2019, 07:13:16 am »
You state that as though it is a fact, and it most certainly is not.  It may be that in your experience much more than 2 inches is bad, and if expressed in that manor, new folks would understand that this is what you have found.  I would respectfully suggest you rethink that statement.    It has been my experience that some wood bows will tolerate more reflex than others.  Some need no more than an inch or two, while some others will tolerate five or six inches.  Some of the reflex is gonna pull out leaving you netting less than you put into it.  My suggestion is be a bit conservative early on.  Once you get a feel for various wood types and designs you will invariably push the limits further out, and have your own experiences to relate to others.
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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2019, 07:36:43 am »
I guess I agree with slimbob. I think it can depend on what length and design you go with. I like a quite a bit of Reflex. I have a short draw. With a design that's not overwhelming stressed Reflex works nice for me. I also think it depends on the type of wood and even the individual stave. This being a unknown wood type, it could be either good or bad. Some wood types are easier or harder to manipulate their shape with heat to. I've had really good results with most Osage. HHB seems much harder to get to hold what correction I try to put in. It seems to be a individual stave thing . Some stay where I want and some just seem to return to their original shape.

There is always the option of using it just like it is to. It does make tillering more difficult, but it is an option.

Good Luck. Learn what you can from it

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Offline IrishJay

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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2019, 09:39:15 am »
I'm also working on a 60" gullwing from this same wood, I should be sharing it on here in the next week or so once the cosmetic finishing is done. It's tillered out to 46#@28" and held it's heat shaping well taking very little set. This bow is going to be tillered for a 31" draw so I think 6" reflex is a bit extreme. I guess it will just come down to how the handle/fades look once I reduce them down some more, but I'll probably try to get some deflex into that area.
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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2019, 11:10:54 am »
If you glue(5 min epoxy works well for this) a flat piece on the belly side of the handle it helps stop the thing from flipping on the tree. Don't flatten the handle first and cut it off after it's braced. Like Slim said, some is going to pull out. I like reflex. :D
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Offline IrishJay

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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2019, 10:55:39 am »
The more I stare at this piece of wood the less sure on how to proceed I get. Part of me wants to just clean up my rough out and start tillering, the other part wants to deflex the handle some. Decisions decisions...
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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2019, 11:02:48 am »
I would put it on the tree and tiller a bit, watching the "set" very closely to see if if might pull out. Make a tracing of the reflex or at the very least measure it in an accurate repeatable way. Then you can make a more informed decision about deflexing it or not. You'd hate to deflex it and have all the reflex pull out.
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Offline IrishJay

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Re: Curve in grain
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2019, 11:05:01 am »
True.
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