how much faster is a recurve than a strait tip bow?

[PatM]

Generally I wouldn't say a potential recurved stave has limitations.

Stave length vs desired draw length comes to mind.

Would you recurve it if it was too short for the desired draw length?

[sleek]

Generally I wouldn't say a potential recurved stave has limitations.

Stave length vs desired draw length comes to mind.

Would you recurve it if it was too short for the desired draw length?

Beyond a doubt. So long as I have the desired width.

[gfugal]

Y'all have still left out a variable that has more to do with performance than the other factors mentioned. Recurves are generally shorter than longbows.

In fact the biggest and first reason for recurved tips was to keep the string on a short bow.

I suspect all elements being equal INCLUDING length, long bows will match recurves.

Again it depends on the length. This isn't true at all lengths. Between a straight limb and a recurve at equal lengths greater than 70"+, the straight limb would probably outperform just cause the recurve might not get string let off at a 28" draw length. But if you had a straight limb and a recurve at an equal length less than 60" then the recurve will out perform the straight limb by far (as lomg as its designed well).

[PatM]

Generally I wouldn't say a potential recurved stave has limitations.

Stave length vs desired draw length comes to mind.

Would you recurve it if it was too short for the desired draw length?

Beyond a doubt. So long as I have the desired width.

Why if it makes no difference?

[PEARL DRUMS]

Ill simplify all this. Anything I build is faster than anything you guys build. My straight limbs are faster than anybody's recruves and my recurves are faster than anybody's straight limbs. You cant win.

[Stick Bender]

I understand that shorter bows gain a advantage from the string angle being better with the recurves but the part I can't wrap my mind around is  if you have 2 bows identical in every way reflex,draw length & weight but one is recurved & one is strait limbed say the bows are 67 in. @28 in. Draw  ,is how the recurve would be faster , to me in those hypothetical bows it seems to me the strait limbed would be faster with the tips needing less mass & at that length & draw the string angle would not be a critical isue ? It seems to me tip & bow limb mass would be the speed factor ?

[PatM]

Recurved tips being heavier is an old  wives tale.

[sleek]

Ill simplify all this. Anything I build is faster than anything you guys build. My straight limbs are faster than anybody's recruves and my recurves are faster than anybody's straight limbs. You cant win.

Well hell, I give up then. I will just mail my staves off to you then.

Sarcastic humor of course, mine are clearly faster than yours. You just make em more pretty than me.

[sleek]

Recurved tips being heavier is an old  wives tale.

Im listening.

[sleek]

Generally I wouldn't say a potential recurved stave has limitations.

Stave length vs desired draw length comes to mind.

Would you recurve it if it was too short for the desired draw length?

Beyond a doubt. So long as I have the desired width.

Why if it makes no difference?

Too broad a brush there. It makes a difference in design limitations.  Recurves aid in longer draws for shorter staves. I dont believe that shorter bow with recurves will outperform a longer straight bow of same stats.

[gfugal]

Recurved tips being heavier is an old  wives tale.

I would agree. I think people tend to overbuild their static recurve tips. If you think about it, a proper tiller for even a straight bow has the last 6 inches or so being static to avoid whip tiller. Really it doesn't have to be much thicker than that. I think people are so paranoid about dynamic recurves that they think that they need no movement whatsoever to make a static, when really just barely stiffer than dynamic might work with just the slightest of movement. But i'm no expert and would like to know how others reduce their mass on static tips.

[sleek]

Gfugal, i dont think you are wrong. I more than likely overbuild my recurves.

[bradsmith2010]

Ok I can see why I was confusesd,, I was just thinking Marc said a recurve will outshoot a straight tip by a wide margin,,,the only number put out seems to be 10 to 15 fps,, faster,, but alot of great minds dont seem to agree,, Since Marc has built some pretty fast recurves i was hoping he would chime in,, but the info and discussion has been great,, I am still scrataching my head,, but really enjoy thinking about this,, and plan to incorportate some things into my next build,,

[PatM]

Too broad a brush there. It makes a difference in design limitations.  Recurves aid in longer draws for shorter staves. I dont believe that shorter bow with recurves will outperform a longer straight bow of same stats.
[/quote]

So you want a longer draw from the short stave even if it gains you nothing?

[sleek]

PatM, are you bustin my balls for fun or what? I must be missing the point you are driving at, because I know you are experienced.

Im stating this. A properly designed recurve that is 48 inches ntn will match a straight bow 62 inches ntn assuming draw length and weight are equal.  Tje only reason I would recurve the 48 incj bow is to gain draw length off it because its too short for a straight bow at 26" draw. I dont know how else to put it?