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Offline Dances with squirrels

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Re: Hide Glue question!
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2016, 03:50:44 pm »
Glue? I don't know about that, but I haven't had Spam in over 40 years, and I'm still trying to get it out of my arteries.
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Offline le0n

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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2016, 04:22:21 pm »
Knox is good stuff. It is not made of hooves, you can't make glue out of hooves. Knox is a combo of bones, connective tissue. and rawhide.

^^ you're right, i was just popping off animal body parts that we don't consume. my bad ;D

but you can make glue out of hooves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoof_glue




Offline Knotty

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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2016, 04:26:39 pm »
Well.. Everybody talks so much about this Knox glue, but how do you actually do it?
Just follow the recipe listed in the gelatin box?
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Offline jeffp51

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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2016, 05:19:46 pm »
make it about the consistency of syrup--maybe 1/4 cup (60 ml) per package  It is hard to mess up.

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Re: Hide Glue question!
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2016, 05:22:42 pm »
Alright, thanks Jeff!
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Offline osage outlaw

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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2016, 05:35:30 pm »
I mixed a few packs of gelatin with cold water.  I got it to the consistency of thin applesauce then heated if for a few seconds in the microwave.  That thinned it out to thin syrup like Jeff said.  You want to keep your glue warm but not to hot.  A double boiler set up worked the best for me.  If your glue is to hot the sinew will curl up and be ruined. 

Have you went through the How-To section on here?  There is a lot of good information that might help you out.  I think there are a few sinew backed bow threads there.  I know Pearly Drums has a good one posted.
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Offline osage outlaw

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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2016, 05:38:37 pm »
Here is Pearly's thread.  The sinew process starts out on page 4 or 5.  It will help you out.

https://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,31738.0.html
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Offline mwosborn

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Re: Hide Glue question!
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2016, 05:52:52 pm »
Hide glue is essentially made out of a type of protein called collagen.  There are several types of collagen found in living things.  Bone, skin, tendons, muscle all have various amounts and types of collagen.  Raw hide (skin) and tendons are obviously what we typically use to make hide glue.  Knox gelatin is basically ground up collagen.
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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2016, 05:56:38 pm »
Awesome! Thank you all 😊
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Offline bradsmith2010

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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2016, 06:45:09 pm »
if you are in a survival situation, you could eat your bow if need be,, :)

Offline lebhuntfish

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Re: Hide Glue question!
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2016, 11:08:51 pm »
In TBB1 Epoxy is 44lbs, Knox is 43lbs. Hide glue is 38,sinew is 36, fish is 33. Knox is good stuff. It is not made of hooves, you can't make glue out of hooves. Knox is a combo of bones, connective tissue. and rawhide.

Thanks DC,  I didn't have them in front of me.

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Offline bubby

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« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2016, 11:51:05 pm »
My glue is a base of knox and sinew and rawhide scraps i keep it in the freezer and thaw it in the microwave till it is hot enough to use and when it cools pop it back in the micro
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Offline loon

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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2016, 12:14:18 am »
So a Knox and water solution should be heated to 150-160F...

Offline Pat B

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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2016, 08:55:38 am »
You should be able to put your fingers in the hot glue comfortably.  I use a crock pot($5 from thrift shop) as a double boiler to keep my glue hot. I add water as the glue in the pot gels if necessary.
 Isaia, you might find fish air bladders at a local fish market. That makes a very strong glue also.
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Offline DuBois

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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2016, 09:03:15 am »
A few years back (a decade, I think) a widespread rumor about gelatinous candy circulated my country. Supposedly it was made from bones of captured stray dogs. Now, I never saw that many stray dogs around (hardly any), but that doesn't disprove the rumor. Nowadays the rumor is that all the dogs are consumed by Chinese restaurants and such.  Along with ducks. And still I see almost no stray dogs around.
Maybe this somewhat strengthens the claim. Where have all the dogs gone?? Who cares, it's time for Jello!!