well,,,,,,,,I picked up a Benjamin np2  trail in .177,,,,,I'm loyal to Crossmsn  (same company) they are twenty Min's from my home,,, good employer,, great work force ,,,,,but   I am in love with this gun!!  its not too loud I say too close to the gammo to argue for us?  after some practice    I  can put five shots in a dime size circle  from  10 to 30 yards! from a sand bag rest from my shooting sticks maybe a quarter size and getting smaller  but since we are on the topic  ,,,,,,,,,, for anyone intrested please check  out  "Teds Hold Over"   and "Air gun nation"  I  have learned  so much  about shooting its crazy   hope this helps  Jeff W