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Offline JackCrafty

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Knapping Floor Tile
« on: June 12, 2015, 01:01:09 pm »
Got some floor tile videos in the works.  The first one is up...  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byKXPn1BDzI

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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2015, 02:52:48 pm »
Your wife's going to be mad when she sees missing tiles in the house Patrick >:D


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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2015, 04:31:19 pm »
Sweet
How many broken tiles you want.
Try leaving the Made In Italy stamp on them. >:D
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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2015, 07:30:38 pm »
Quote from: jackcrafty on June 12, 2015, 01:01:09 pm
Got some floor tile videos in the works.  The first one is up...  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byKXPn1BDzI

Didn't you just tell someone in PA mag tile was not good material? Porcelain is the best in my opinion.
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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2015, 08:30:31 pm »
Didn't you just tell someone in PA mag tile was not good material? Porcelain is the best in my opinion.

Yep, I don't recommend it.  But it's one of only a few options for a lot of people.  And it's cheap.  High quality porcelain, in large quantities, is difficult to find in my experience.

And besides, that's why the vid is in the "Rock Challenge" video series.  If I thought it was good, I would have put it in a "Really Cool Materials" video series.   >:D
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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2015, 08:34:29 pm »
Tracy, that's funny.  But I have plenty of cut-offs.  I think she gets mad enough that I saved a pile of them...

Zuma, see comment above.   ;)  (and I didn't notice the "Made in Italy" stamp...  that's a good idea)
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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2015, 07:57:12 pm »
If you go to HD and look for the quality "Made in Italy" tile, you will be real surprised how easy it pressure flakes. :). And, it's cheap.
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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2015, 08:51:49 pm »
I'll look for it.... 
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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2015, 12:59:45 am »
Quote from: jackcrafty on June 12, 2015, 08:30:31 pm
Didn't you just tell someone in PA mag tile was not good material? Porcelain is the best in my opinion.

Yep, I don't recommend it.  But it's one of only a few options for a lot of people.  And it's cheap.  High quality porcelain, in large quantities, is difficult to find in my experience.

And besides, that's why the vid is in the "Rock Challenge" video series.  If I thought it was good, I would have put it in a "Really Cool Materials" video series.   >:D

I think you are not understanding......there are porcelain tiles, clay tiles, and ceramic tiles. They are not the same in quality, and even porcelain tile varies in quality. I like the darker colored porcelain tile as it tends to flake much better, and like Eddie said Italian porcelain tile (some) is very good flaking material. I have found tile that flakes nice, yet the tile was very thin and only allowed for small points.... :-\ :-\
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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2015, 02:08:30 am »
Ok, it looks like some of you guys are tile connoisseurs.   ;)  Below is an explanation of what I know so far.  I'm posting it here for those who are new to all this.  (you can cover eyes and plug your ears now   :P)

In general, tile used for floors is more dense and finer-grained than wall tile.  That's why I used the term "floor tile" in the videos even though I'm technically using "porcelain tile" (we ordered an interior tile that absorbs very little water).

Ceramic or porcelain tile is practically identical and differs only in name when you are talking about interior tiles.  Exterior tiles are made to be impervious to water, but you have to specify it.  As for how it knaps, I need to try some but I'm willing to bet there's not much difference.

So far, all the floor tile I've knapped is basically the same.  There are slight differences in texture but it's all brittle and not easy to run flakes on.  There appears to be some tiles that approach the quality of glass, and I have to admit that I haven't knapped the good stuff that some of you guys seem to have found...

Anyways, I've received many questions about tile from all over the place.  I'm talking to a guy in Russia right now.  Who knows how tile is graded over there?  But I won't confuse the issue by telling him to look for "porcelain".

So that's my take on it.  Looks like this can become a very good topic for discussion and I welcome anyone who want to add their experiences  (especially those who know more about this than I do).
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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2015, 12:58:31 pm »
Jack,

              T o say tile is tile, is like saying rock is rock...you should do more research....IMO
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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2015, 02:03:28 pm »
Yes, I should.  Sounds like fun (I get to stroll the isles of my favorite place...).
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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2015, 12:24:31 pm »
I would like to try some tile if anyone has more advice on the good stuff. . .how do I tell what will pressure flake well?
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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2015, 09:37:41 pm »
Jeff,

Since no one has answered so far (it's still early, I know) I'll give it a shot.  I went out and bought a bunch of ceramic and porcelain tile right after my last post and knapped it.  (I went to Home Depot)  The "best" seems to be porcelain floor tile and bullnose trim that actually has the words "PREMIUM PORCELAIN" imprinted on the back.  Here are my results so far in order of flake quality (from best to worst):

Premium Porcelain bullnose trim (dark grey)
Premium Porcelain floor (dark gray)
Ceramic bullnose trim (dark red)
Porcelain floor (tan)
Ceramic floor (dark red)
Ceramic wall (dark red)
Porcelain floor (dark red)

Imitation Saltillo Tile (terra cotta)  Note: grey on the inside and knaps horribly.
Ceramic wall tile (white) Note:  this stuff is worse than sink/toilet ceramic.

Bullnose trim is thinner than the floor tile, and comes in smaller pieces, but seems to be the best quality.   And the color in parenthesis is the actual color of the inside/back of the tile, not the color of the hard surface.

I haven't tried authentic clay tile, or clay pots (for potting plants) but I will soon.  I probably won't try Travertine.
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Re: Knapping Floor Tile
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2015, 10:27:39 pm »
Quote from: jackcrafty on June 15, 2015, 09:37:41 pm
Jeff,

Since no one has answered so far (it's still early, I know) I'll give it a shot.  I went out and bought a bunch of ceramic and porcelain tile right after my last post and knapped it.  (I went to Home Depot)  The "best" seems to be porcelain floor tile and bullnose trim that actually has the words "PREMIUM PORCELAIN" imprinted on the back.  Here are my results so far in order of flake quality (from best to worst):

Premium Porcelain bullnose trim (dark grey)
Premium Porcelain floor (dark gray)
Ceramic bullnose trim (dark red)
Porcelain floor (tan)
Ceramic floor (dark red)
Ceramic wall (dark red)
Porcelain floor (dark red)

Imitation Saltillo Tile (terra cotta)  Note: grey on the inside and knaps horribly.
Ceramic wall tile (white) Note:  this stuff is worse than sink/toilet ceramic.

Bullnose trim is thinner than the floor tile, and comes in smaller pieces, but seems to be the best quality.   And the color in parenthesis is the actual color of the inside/back of the tile, not the color of the hard surface.

I haven't tried authentic clay tile, or clay pots (for potting plants) but I will soon.  I probably won't try Travertine.

Yep, that's about right......but, new tile comes in now and then check it for quality...you never know! :)
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