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Offline knapperhead

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Pine Pitch Substitute?
« on: November 15, 2013, 01:26:22 pm »
For the first time in my life, I find myself with no Pine trees around. I grew up in E. Texas and they were everywhere but not here in Central Tex. There are some in Bastrop, about 45 minutes away, I guess I could go there.

My question is, is there a modern equivalent just for display arrows?

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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2013, 01:43:23 pm »

     Do you have any Birch trees around your area?  What type of trees do you have in your vicinity?  JB Weld and charcoal, or magic marker.

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  P.S. I am sure there are people on here, and in Texas that will be glad to supply you with a good amount of pitch, or resin, to do some projects.

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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2013, 01:56:00 pm »
It looks like River Birch is the only one around here and it is East of here but I have never seen one. We have elms, oaks and cedars mainly. Some black walnut, willow and hackberry as well.
Thanks for your help...
Matt

Offline Buckeye Guy

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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2013, 09:30:36 pm »
Since you said modern ,epoxy mixed with ground charcoal !
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Offline knapperhead

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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2013, 10:00:29 am »
that's a great idea, thanks Guy !
I'm just making a set for display right now, hopefully I'll have all the skills and materials needed to make some meat makers when I finish these.

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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2013, 03:17:33 pm »

     If you have River Birch or Black Birch, you can take some of the bark, and put it in a can, and cover it, or just leave part of the lid on, and place it on some coals, and let sit, till it starts to smoke, and then take some tongs, or sticks, and pour the tar into another can, or container, and let it cool, and then take some and heat it, to a liquid state again, and mix it with bees wax, and bunny poop, or deer, or cow poop, or some other form of a binder.  Usually about fifty fifty wax to tar, as rule of thumb, and just enough fiber to help in binding the mixture.  You can experiment with different ratios.  You may need more wax, if the mixture is too brittle, or less if it is too soft, etc.  Black Birch, by the way is what they used to use for Birch beer, and I believe also it was used make an anti bacterial, I can't remember the name at the moment.  Try that and see it works for you.  any of the Birches should yield tar.

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Offline knapperhead

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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2013, 03:44:02 pm »
great info, thanks bender....

Offline IdahoMatt

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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2013, 10:58:55 pm »
Good old hot melt glue is great, although not primitive.  It has a little give to it and take impact well.  So it is a natural fit for hafting points.  Not to mention you can find a ton of it at most thrift stores for next to nothing.

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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2013, 07:43:26 am »
Since you said modern ,epoxy mixed with ground charcoal !
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Offline IdahoMatt

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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2013, 01:00:58 pm »
To get a good black color for a non primitive adhesive.  When I was building guitars for filling inlay work we would use black tempera paint powder mixed with epoxy.  It worked great.  You would add it like the charcoal.  You can get enough to last you close to a life time for around four bucks online.  If you would like I could post a pick of it on some inlay work.

Matt

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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2013, 06:38:10 pm »
  HOT GLUE ADD CHARCOAL.

  I always add antler filing to my pine pitch glue. Lot less messy.
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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2013, 10:26:52 pm »
You may want to try Cooketarrows Idea !
The epoxy works well but is very permanent !
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Offline knapperhead

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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2013, 02:36:22 pm »
Great info, thank you all.

Matt, let's see some of your work......

Offline Pat B

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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2013, 02:52:48 pm »
One of the nice things about pitch glue is if a point comes loose or out of alignment all you have to do is heat the head a bit until the pitch re-melts, re-set the point with a spin test to see if it is straight and let it cool. Can't do that with modern glues. You can heat them to make them release but then you have to clean everything up of old glue and re-glue the point back on making sure it is true.  back.
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Re: Pine Pitch Substitute?
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2013, 06:41:13 pm »
I'll try and get some up soon. I'm working late tonight but maybe tomorrow.  I'll post them in the Around the campfire section. 

Good point Pat. No pun intends