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Ahnlaashock

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Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« on: October 29, 2013, 10:06:19 pm »
I am not finding anything helpful on the Modoc.  I was hoping one of you knew the type used in that area by the peoples that depended on the salmon, if not the Modoc themselves. 

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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2013, 12:40:12 am »
I've got a compilation of points in the Lassen complex covers alot if ya want it let me know, bub
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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2013, 02:34:26 am »
Are you in the southern oregon Northern California area?
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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2013, 02:59:17 am »
Here's a set labeled as "Modoc" from an auction listing.  I believe the points are made from jet black obsidian.


Modoc Painted Wood Bow with four arrows
Circa 1880
Length 36 in. bow; Length of arrows 30 1/2 in. the longest

This carved yew wood bow is painted on the inner surface with a patter of triangular arrow point motifs in black against a white background and framed along the sides with a series of right triangles painted in red. The bow is complete with a sinew bowstring and is accompanied by four stone tipped arrows.

Provenance
Richard Corrow Collection, Santa Fe, New Mexico.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2013, 03:18:13 am by jackcrafty »
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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2013, 03:26:39 am »
Not sure about the points but the pattern on the bow is very similar to the one I put on my sons bow which is a copy of a Modoc bow.  Pretty good chance this is a set.
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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2013, 05:58:11 am »
let me clarify something, I have a copy of a compilation of points and projectiles of the lassen complex, if anyone wants one I can send a copy
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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2013, 10:41:29 am »
Hey, I want one!  jackcrafty@yahoo.com
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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2013, 11:52:35 am »
I am in Missouri, just south of St. Louis.  I am part Modoc myself, and that is why I was interested in their tools.  The points I found online, were all obsidian, or appeared to be, but there was no unifying pattern seen that I could detect.  Even the arrows posted here seem to have different style heads on each arrow.
The book listed covers that immediate area I assume.  A search for the terms did not do anything useful that I could tell.  Lots about geology, with a side mention of artifacts. 

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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2013, 04:47:06 pm »
sent ya something Patrick, you should like it lots of needle tip points
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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2013, 05:02:43 pm »
Hey, Bubby, could I get a copy, too?

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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2013, 05:14:09 pm »
I would love a copy also, Please!

So far, the Northern Side Notch is said to be the parent form for most in the area, at least in the information I was able to find.  Most I have seen are triangular.  That would square with the tips seen on the arrows pretty well I think. 

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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2013, 07:00:07 pm »
sure mullet ahnlaashock i'll get ya one
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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2013, 10:16:12 pm »
Most where obsidian, but when that wasn't at hand, chert, agate where substitutes.
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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2013, 10:39:52 pm »
I was thinking just about like the ones in the other post here about obsidian! 

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Re: Examples of Klamath/Modoc Style Points?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2013, 11:23:38 pm »
Thanks for the compilation, Bubby!  The photobucket link worked.
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