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Jake Levi

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Grooving Red Osier
« on: April 25, 2010, 10:35:43 am »

I am picking up some red osier shafts next week, and will be grooving them,

I am wondering if there is any advantage to making the grooves in line with the fletching, or putting them in line with the space between the fletching ? 

There would be a very slight working advantage to putting the grooves in line with the fletching, not much, or offsetting them to the fletching.

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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2010, 10:40:41 am »
never tried grooving my osier
i just striaghten them,fletch them,put on a point and shoot them
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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2010, 11:10:22 am »
never tried grooving my osier

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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2010, 11:25:33 am »
Get da groove on baby :D
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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2010, 11:42:40 am »
Groovy! I think that grooving dogwood shafts helps them stay straighter, but I dont think it matters where the grooves are.
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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2010, 11:56:56 am »
never tried grooving my osier

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Now that's funny :D

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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2010, 12:16:31 pm »
I made a shaft groover but only use it a few times. If cured properly and tempered after straightening I find grooving shoot shafts not necessary. I did groove a set of red osier plains type arrows I donated to the Classic last year to make them a little more authentic.
  Here is my grooving tool. It is a split hickory pole with a groove(for the shaft) and a drywall nail with the point made into a blade. Works pretty well with practice and constant pressure as you draw it along the shaft.





If you look close in the bottom pic you can see the groove in one or two arrows.

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Jake Levi

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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2010, 01:10:54 pm »
Hi Pat

Thats pretty much how I was planning on doing it.

I have only seen a very few really old red osier shafts and they were all grooved, supposed to stay straight longer. The ones I have seen bear this out, except for some in museums that are standing upright and are now bent.

Thanks for the pics Pat, very nice looking arrows.

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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2010, 03:28:49 pm »
I have a red osier arrow I made years ago and tempered but did not groove. It is as straight as any of my arrows so I don't believe grooving is necessary. It surely won't hurt anything though.  ;)
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Jake Levi

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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2010, 08:47:16 am »
I have several I have had about ten years that arnt grooved but straight, from what i have read grooving them is as much to keep them straight during working on them as for later. I dont know.

These are for Plains style arrows and the oldest ones of those I have seen are grooved.


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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2010, 04:50:20 pm »
Grooving definitely works in my experience, although I get the same effect with 2 or 3 grooves spaced evenly from the point to the front edge of fletching. For plains NA arrows, cutting the self nock at the base of the shoot not only facilitates an authentic, flared nock but also makes grooving the entire shaft length largely unnecessary. Most plains NA arrows have 2 or 3 grooves - either straight, wavy, or a combination - running from the point or just behind the point binding to the front fletching edge. The bases of dogwood shoots are usually fairly straight, while as the shoots grow the small offshoots can cause kinks. Grooving this area is the most important. The key is to roughly straighten the shafts, then groove them, then grease and heat them for final straightening. This creates the small, hardened ridges along the grooves that inhibit warping.

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Jake Levi

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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2010, 12:47:56 pm »
Thanks for the good info,

have been on the road, picked up the red osier last week in MT, hope to hav e several along to take to the Back to The Bow Project in mid june at Eagle Butte, SD.

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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2010, 10:30:12 am »
I made a jig and tried it. I found that it was  unnecessary.  I found that straightening every few days was magical. No heat needed. Therefore, no groovin'. But I love the song "Groovin' "by the Young Rascals. Jawge
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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2010, 12:19:13 pm »
George, you are aging yourself...and me!  ;D  That song reminds me of Savannah Beach in the summers, eating burgers at the Triangle Drive In and surfing. OH! the good old days! 8)
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Re: Grooving Red Osier
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2010, 05:22:16 pm »
It's no secret, Pat, I am a child of the 50's and 60's. That song  was a good one. I like the Young Rascals. Jawge
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