Yep  Bob I need to save some of them, never tried one but that has to be cool, also Turtle neck I have seen done and looked very cool also. Thanks for the reminder, on my list of must tries. 
 
 
 Stoker they are pretty easy to make , I just need to refine by bending, hard to do without getting flat spots that need to be hammered out, then you mess up the finish a bit and have to straighten that out. I think I can do better on the next ones, like anything else, their is a learning curve. 

 Only problem is Miss Joanie might get tired of me using all our forks and spoons before I get it down pat. 
 
 Pappy