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half eye

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Fellas,
       I found some fairly good photos of carved bows of various types, maybe you all can keep them for refference material if you want. The first 5 are eastern woodland style and #6 is actually a carved Plains style with edge carvings (never seen one of these before). If you look at the photo # M 12639 it's in the style of the Ojibwa and/or Potawatamii but check out the recurved lower limb...but not the upper....sort of blew me away.
      Just thought ya might like to see some "strange" bows......they are all in the collection of the Musee McCord Museum (Montreal)
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Offline xin

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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2010, 12:07:07 pm »
Enjoyed the pics.  Thanks for sharing. Do you have any dimensions on the bows, even if they are approximations?

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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2010, 12:17:13 pm »
I think that all the bows have about 4" to 4&1/2 inch grips (the first one is about 5 or 5&1/2) I was going to use that as a guide to figure the overall length.....but if you contacted the museum maybe they'd tell you what the overall was actually? Sometimes they wont talk with you and sometimes they will....

If you want to make a replica for yourself I would just guestimate and call it good....personally.
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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2010, 03:28:48 pm »
Brilliant photos! Thanks! Quite inspirational.

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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2010, 03:47:53 pm »
Very interesting and remarkable. Half-eye, you are going outside of the box by exposing us to some art! Thanks for the current research!
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half eye

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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2010, 03:53:29 pm »
Glad to help if I can.....heck ya never know when you might get a "inspiration block" and look one of them up....and get yerselvers into a bunch of trouble......no warrantee implied ;D
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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2010, 06:11:52 pm »
Really good post. I do like the art end of all this stuff. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2010, 06:18:14 pm »
Great stuff!
Any more details??
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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 07:36:18 pm »
Medicinewheel and XIN:
      I went back to the site and dug around and found out some specs for the bows....I'll wirte down the photo number and the facts that they listed.

UA 210: Wood (pine), paint, sinew dated between 1865-1900 dim: 2.8 X 110.5 cm
ACC 3202 C : wood, paint   1875-1925  2.3 X 101.5 cm
M 435:  1800-1813   wood, pigment   5.1 X 130 cm
M 12639   1865-1915  wood, pigment   3.2 X 133 cm
M 12663   1865-1915   wood, paint, sinew   3.8 X 142.5 cm
Plains Bow   1865-1925   wood, hide, horsehair, feather, cotton cord, pigment    15X 118.2 cm
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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 05:22:28 am »
Looks like I need to get my passport straight and head up to Montreal soon.  It stinks that we need one for that now >:(  The last time I was in Montreal I saw some pretty spectacular sights, but I wasn't there to visit any museums >:D
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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2010, 06:21:30 pm »
Howdy HalfEye and Group,

I was just at the Milwaukee Public Museum yesterday.  I noticed a bow on display that was scalloped (four of them) on the lower limb only.  Between the scallops, there was a groove (or notch), (three of them) cut through the edge of the bow.

So, I guess that symmetry was not always the order of the day for these types of bows.

Thanks for sharing your insight and interest in native, Primitive Archery,
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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2010, 07:15:51 pm »
Way Cool....would you have any pics of them? I'd be interested in seeing them too :) It doesn't really suprise me much though because of all the interchange in Wisconsin area within the Algonquian groups, but it would be cool to see them.
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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2010, 11:00:10 pm »
Luv the wicked old bows. Makes one imagine the maker.

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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2010, 12:31:12 am »
Excellent photos!

The second bow looks like a southern plains bow and the last one looks like a Cherokee bow, in my humble opinion.  The other bows look ceremonial...Eastern Woodlands for sure.  Very interesting.
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Re: Carved bows / museum photos for refference
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2010, 11:22:53 am »
is it the belly thats carved on the  bows? if not what keeps the back ring from going?
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