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Tom Anderson

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Grips - why no variety?
« on: August 30, 2008, 07:35:54 pm »
Who don't sefl-bowyers make some sort of locator type grips on their bows?  Most everything I've seen displayed here looks like a broomhandle.  Seems it would be easy to build up the grip and make 'em a little different.

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Re: Grips - why no variety?
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2008, 07:39:40 pm »
Because they are "Selfbows" a locator grip looks great on laminated or glass bows, but a selfbow is just that.
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Re: Grips - why no variety?
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2008, 07:40:45 pm »
Lots do- and there is variety. Manny makes some beautiful dished grip. I believe Ryano's latest apple bow had a locator grip. Most people just use a simple striaght handle because that's what comfortable to them. I use bendy handles because those type of bows are easier for me to build. I think most of us try to shy away from the locator grip/arrow shelf because of the popularity amongst fiberglass bows.

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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2008, 08:25:02 pm »
It's because some of us like to make a skinny twig of a bow that performs as good or better than its synthetic fat handled cousins ;) And watch the look on their faces while warming up for the 3-d round...

Actually I make plenty of center-shot built-up grip style bows as well...They usually go to the hardcore 3-d archers..

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Re: Grips - why no variety?
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2008, 11:26:46 pm »
Most all of my bows are cut close to center and feature dished out grips. I don't necessarily make bows to be "primitive", I make them to shoot and hunt with and I personally can't shoot as well with a straight handle as I can with a dished one.
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Re: Grips - why no variety?
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2008, 12:35:34 am »
        I like a handle with some kind of locator, sometimes I build primitive and sometimes I just build all wood bows. I don't pay much attention to anything but what feels good to me. Steve

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Re: Grips - why no variety?
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2008, 02:42:08 am »
                            All my Self Bow Grips have Locator's....It's called the First Knuckle of My Index Finger!!


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Re: Grips - why no variety?
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2008, 05:00:26 am »
I certainly don't speak for self bowyers who don't build bows with a locator, built up handle, arrow shelf, or whatever....but I will say that I personally think bows with this feature look a bit cheesy.  For me, simple is better.  However, lots of folks like the look, not to mention it's usefulness, and I'm currently building an osage self bow with a locator type grip (for a friend).
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Re: Grips - why no variety?
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2008, 05:33:38 am »
I have experimented with various shaped grips. I even copied a shape from a Reynolds glass longbow with a grip I really liked. But what feels and shoots best for me with wood bows turns out to be a bulbous handle that fits the low wrist firm grip I use on this style bow. The straight Hill style grip made by a take down sleeve seems to work well for me too.

There is lots of variety in leather wrap styles and/or stitching. I can often identify the bowyer by these alone. Some folks like to cut a shelf towards center and some like to have the fades symmetrical and apply a built up leather or other material shelf.

I see lots of variation in grips.

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Re: Grips - why no variety?
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2008, 11:27:55 am »
This is one of my favorite subjects. I see so many selfbows with square cornered handles, uncomfortable and like holding a jagged rock in ones hand.

I like my handles to flow, graceful and sleek. When your hand settles into one of my handles it is like settling into your favorite lazy boy chair.

I am working on two bows today one snakey osage and a BBO. Here are some of my handles.

I like a slight locator because you need to have your hand in exactly the same spot shot to shot. The glued on arrow rest will be covered up with leather. I add wood to every handlle to make sure I have enough to complete my chosen design.



A palm swell adds another glove like fit for a handle.



The BBO has a little less swell but is very comfortable none the less.



I use a contour gage to make sure I have a perfectly rounded handle. I like handles rounded belly and back and wonder why so many people leave the back side square.



Handle design is a personal thing, to each his own.
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Re: Grips - why no variety?
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2008, 11:36:17 am »
Over the last few years I've started going with a bulbous type handle on the bows I build and shoot. For me a bulbous handle is a locator type grip. If the bulbous handle is made for a particular shooter and the grip fits the shooters hand the same every time , then it is a locator grip. As far as center shot bows, I've never owned one and don't see a need if proper arrows are chosen. With wood bow building, I'm trying to get away from the norm and still be effective. I see the cut out shelf, pistol grip handles and center shot bows as more of the same as with modern trad bows and wheel bows and I'm more into the challenge of archery than into trying to drive tacks with the machine doing all of the work.
   Even more important than a "locator" grip or a center shot bow which only propel the arrow is the arrow itself. Any bow will shoot a well made, properly spined arrow but a badly made or improperly spines arrow won't shoot well from the best made bow of any material, no matter what kind of grip, whether center shot or not, modern or primitive.
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Re: Grips - why no variety?
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2008, 11:43:52 am »
I like small, rounded handles like the ones Eric just posted. That's what feels good and looks good to me. I detest the feel of a big, bulky handle, and I don't like the look of cut-in shelves. Some are completely the opposite, and there's nothing wrong with that. It all just boils down to personal taste, and a lot of us have tastes that run toward the simple, minimalist end of the spectrum. But take a look at some of KnightD's bows, he makes a lot of bows that have elaborate, contoured locator-style laminated handles that are works of art in themselves. Pat B's bows usually fit my hand like a glove, I really like his style of grip. I guess everybody makes what they like to feel in their own hand, and I enjoy seeing all the variations and personal styles of the different bowyers here.
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Re: Grips - why no variety?
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2008, 11:50:18 am »
it took me a while to figure out a style of handle that i like, but ive settled on this. your hand just kinda sinks into it.



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Re: Grips - why no variety?
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2008, 12:39:44 pm »
Hillbilly Thanks for the kind words. I like the bolbous on self bows and the  the locater types of grips on laminated bows. here is a pic of a couple of the ones I tend to like on my laminated bows..The Osage with purple hart and cocobolo fits well in my hand.
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Re: Grips - why no variety?
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2008, 01:09:32 pm »
Those are all beautiful handles and I've tried most of them bit always seem to like the straight type rasped to fit my hand. I do like a glued on rest. Jawge
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