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Offline JoJoDapyro

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Re: Knappability Scale?
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2015, 11:24:23 pm »
The amount of information is astounding to me. I would have never thought that so much was known, or that so much wasn't. Thanks Patrick for the videos. Spalling has become much more consistent since spending some hours watching your videos. I went from tiny, to much larger flakes. Here is the largest I have made so far.
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Re: Knappability Scale?
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2015, 02:11:58 am »
Looks good JoJo!  What's that material?
« Last Edit: June 21, 2015, 11:33:19 am by jackcrafty »
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Re: Knappability Scale?
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2015, 10:19:36 am »
I don't know for certain. Something river?
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Re: Knappability Scale?
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2015, 01:43:57 pm »
Edit:  Flintknapping processes can be studied in the light of known flintknapping tools.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2015, 08:00:48 pm by AncientTech »

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Re: Knappability Scale?
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2015, 02:33:43 pm »
But there is still a lot of assumption of what techniques were used. What we know is just the tip of the iceberg. I will make an assumption that not all ancient people were specialists in all areas of crafting.  Like the members of this group. Some are amazing knappers, some are amazing bowyers. Some are even amazing leather workers, carvers, weavers, fletchers... You get the point. How many are amazing at all of these. Not many, if any. Given the time most of the members here can make any amazing product they put their minds to, but they aren't worrying about procuring materials to make their crafts on their own two feet, as well as obtain food, as well as protect their families. I don't know anyone who relies on these hobbies to live. As in protection as well as gathering and processing food. Were ancient knappers chosen to do it because they had a natural ability to do it well, as well as quickly? Let's also not forget that these arts died as soon as they weren't a necessary part of existence any more. Sure, a few people carried on the tradition, but what was lost from one geration to the next in the waning years. It is safe to say more information has been lost to the sands of time than what we have relearned since it was customary to use stone tools. Patrick's scale may not work for everyone, but as long as it helps him, that is all that matters. It seems to make sense to me. Just because it isn't what you know, or doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it isn't something that will help someone else.
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Re: Knappability Scale?
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2015, 03:20:19 pm »
The scale appears to be fashioned towards what us modern knappers consider to be excellent rock or not. I would agree that different knappers and techniques would change the scale but I think this thread is based on current times.

Ancient Tech, I find it interesting by your own words that you are using a technique of reduction that was "rediscovered" twice in the 19th century. It is assumed or believed that those techniques are exactly what Paleo knappers used because of similar or same results. Once the need for knapping knowledge stopped so did the passing of knowledge and skills, so we are in fact trying to rediscover what is lost and it is not vigorously being studied by most of the world.

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Re: Knappability Scale?
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2015, 03:42:46 pm »
Assuming a technique that was documented twice in the 19th century has anything to do with the methods and techniques that were used thru all cultures and  time is  taking a huge leap.

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Re: Knappability Scale?
« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2015, 06:58:56 pm »
Lets' say that we fast forward however many years it takes to have a complete understanding of flintknapping from every age and from every culture.

How many years will that take?  Well, it's like asking how many licks does it take to get to the center of a toostsi roll pop.

I say three.  That's how long it takes for the average person to learn how to knap well.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2015, 07:02:44 pm by jackcrafty »
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Where's Rock? Public Waterways, Road Cuts, Landscape Supply, Knap-Ins.
How to Cook It?  200° for 24hrs then 275° to 500° for 4hrs (depending on type), Cool for 12hr

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Re: Knappability Scale?
« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2015, 08:47:42 pm »
Are you guys really having fun? ??? Do you put this much thought into making a point that is sharp enough to kill an animal? That is really what they are for. ::)
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Re: Knappability Scale?
« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2015, 11:30:43 pm »
Eddie, you shouldn't beat around the bush like that.  What's your point?   ;)
Any critter tastes good with enough butter on it.

Patrick Blank
Midland, Texas
Youtube: JackCrafty, Allergic Hobbit, Patrick Blank

Where's Rock? Public Waterways, Road Cuts, Landscape Supply, Knap-Ins.
How to Cook It?  200° for 24hrs then 275° to 500° for 4hrs (depending on type), Cool for 12hr