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Offline simson

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ERC for indian bows?
« on: September 12, 2014, 05:00:37 am »
My friend Erwin has donted a nice ERC stave to me. It is 52 long, cross section is triangular with a bit of a crown with still one or two layers sap on.  At the crown it is about 2“ wide. Some knots are avoidable, a big one not.
I did some searching for indian bows made out of ERC – but didn't find anything. Some west coast bows are made out of juniper, but I assume not from ERC. I'm searching for an indian design/style suitable for my ERC stave.
So can anybody point me in the right direction? Where in North America does ERC grow?
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Offline Josh B

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Re: ERC for indian bows?
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2014, 08:36:55 am »
ERC grows in the eastern half of the US.  I don't know of any Native American bows made from it.  That's not to say it wasn't done, just that I haven't seen any examples.  ERC is a juniper so if you should decide to make a west coast sinew backed paddle bow, it should do well in that design.  I wish I could be of more help.  Josh

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Re: ERC for indian bows?
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2014, 08:49:03 am »
I agree, treat it like any other juniper and build a Plains or Western style bow. We all know you will do a fantastic job no matter what, Simon.  ;)
Make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes!    Pat Brennan  Brevard, NC

Offline JonW

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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2014, 11:07:45 am »
I can't recall the exact source but some southeastern US natives used ERC with a sinew backing. I remember seeing a video of a guy reproducing the process.

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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2014, 11:13:19 am »
Are you sure it was in the SE US, Jon? sinew backed bows are not very practical in the humid Southeast.
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2014, 11:36:39 am »
I'm sure the guy was from Georgia. Are you familiar with the video "Full Circle" ?  I want to say that is where I am getting my info Pat.

I will add that I can't say for certain the guy was representing a specific region or locale. I just remember he was from somewhere in the southeast and showed how the stave was "plucked" or "wedged" from a live tree by taking it from the trunk without cutting it down. I will go back and try to find my video and re-watch it.
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Offline Pat B

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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2014, 12:49:08 pm »
Is it Thad Beckum?  I thought you were talking about the SE Indians using sinew on bows.
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2014, 01:11:05 pm »
I think that is correct Pat. Again I will say I may be mixing up information. My "sometimers" kicks in once in a while and I don't always remember what I remember :o

Offline Perkinator

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Re: ERC for indian bows?
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2014, 03:39:56 pm »
What does ERC stand for?

Offline GB

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Re: ERC for indian bows?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2014, 03:45:45 pm »
ERC= Eastern Red Cedar.
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Re: ERC for indian bows?
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2014, 04:02:23 pm »
I've made some nice shooting bows in the Eastern Woodland bow style. I've never heard or seen pictures of a SE native bow that was sinew backed.
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Offline IndianGuy

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Re: ERC for indian bows?
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2014, 05:51:40 pm »
I've seen and own a old Kiowa bow of ERC it has no sinew backing and has alot of set. If you sinew back the bow it could work.
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Re: ERC for indian bows?
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2014, 07:14:31 pm »
I went and watched the video. I will correct myself by saying the bow he made was not necessarily representative of a SE native peoples. It was an all sapwood sinew backed ERC bow though. You are right Pat it is Thad Beckum.

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Re: ERC for indian bows?
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2014, 11:41:36 pm »


Here is a Huron bow made of decrowned eastern red cedar. I have also seen some Ojibwa bows made from cedar.

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Re: ERC for indian bows?
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2014, 01:56:15 am »
ERC= Eastern Red Cedar.
Thanks GB!