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Offline Elktracker

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Need more opinions on this tiller please (pics)
« on: August 20, 2010, 01:33:10 pm »
I think i can see that i need to get the outer right limb (bottom limb) bending more but this particular stave has a big natural bump there so im a bit nervouse what do you all think thanks. By the way this is Vine Maple 68" ntn and i have it pulling 25" so far and the right limb (bottom) is about 3/4" stiffer on the grid, if you can give me advise on where to take off from now i would appretiate it thanks Josh

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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2010, 01:45:03 pm »
Pictures are a little small so its a bit hard to tell, but I dont really see any hinges so I'd just take a little bit off the full length of the bottom limb to catch it up to the right limb for now.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2010, 01:50:45 pm »
Sorry about the pics my new e mail shrinks them ill get some better pics up asap thanks
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Re: Need more opinions on this tiller please (pics)
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2010, 02:04:38 pm »
I like a stiffer lower limb, over time they even out anyway if you leave it a little stiffer.  Looks good to me.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2010, 02:10:20 pm »
Looks good to me with the small pictures. My favorite style, a D bow in my favorite wood VM. Although I love Yew. Just cant find any or afford the $100 a stave.  Good job Tillamoo.....er Elktracker.
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Re: Need more opinions on this tiller please (pics)
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2010, 02:19:28 pm »
Thanks for the complament here are better pics i hope

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Re: Need more opinions on this tiller please (pics)
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2010, 02:55:55 pm »
Not bad, lower limb a tad stiff in the last third compared with upper.
And I'd say your curtain rod is sagging a tad in the middle ::)
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2010, 03:02:35 pm »
Not bad, lower limb a tad stiff in the last third compared with upper.
And I'd say your curtain rod is sagging a tad in the middle ::)
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Thats funny there you do have a good eye lol ill work the last third a bit and see how it looks. Should i stay above and below the hump in the stave? thanks Josh
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Re: Need more opinions on this tiller please (pics)
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2010, 04:45:13 pm »
Not bad, lower limb a tad stiff in the last third compared with upper.
And I'd say your curtain rod is sagging a tad in the middle ::)
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Thats funny there you do have a good eye lol ill work the last third a bit and see how it looks. Should i stay above and below the hump in the stave? thanks Josh
I'd say the portion from the hump to the tip (well leave the last couple of inches at the tip). Then have another look.
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Re: Need more opinions on this tiller please (pics)
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2010, 05:21:23 pm »
Josh,

It is difficult to judge the bend of the limbs purely by eye when you are dealing with a piece of wood that has many bumps, knots and undulations which is often the case with vine maple. With such limbs, even if the bend looks perfect to the eye, portions of the limb could be overstressed. One needs to pay attention to limb thickness and taper while simultaneously judging the characteristics of each imperfection and adjusting accordingly. This skill takes time and many bows to learn. In the meantime I wouldn't get too obsessive with how the tiller looks with these kind of bows. As long as you are not pushing the limits of a particular design and the profile and tiller look reasonable (which it does in your case) you're good.

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Re: Need more opinions on this tiller please (pics)
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2010, 06:44:31 pm »
Thanks Gordon appretiate the info when i lay the bow flat on a table and draw i feel the bottom limb pulling toward me more than the upper limb so i will work it down a bit and make sure my taper is good, this bow is still very heavy as you can probably tell by looking at me straining to draw it lol so i still have some room to play. thanks again for all your tips
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Re: Need more opinions on this tiller please (pics)
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2010, 07:08:05 pm »
Josh, I don't think you are satisfied at all with the tiller or you wouldn't have posted for help. I think you're spot-on with your analysis as to what needs to happen but are not sure about the ramifications of trying to improve it. I think you've already proved that you can bend through a knot with the upper limb.

The hardest thing to see when learning to tiller is knowing how one limb affects the other. I see a whole different picture here.

There will always be some imperfection or workaround with every stave, learn to deal with it. Knots will always be hard to deal with but they do bend, maybe not as well as we like sometimes but you deal with it like the knot just off the fade on the top limb, (can't see for sure but its weak in that area so I am assuming a little here). The knot midpoint of the lower limb may not be the main issue, I see the limb not bending past the knot (reflex) adding too much pressue to the top limb.

I took some liberties with your photo, hope you don't mind to illustrate. You may be able to get the improvement you're looking for by scraping a little below the knot in question with some additional sanding out to the tip. This should bring that bottom limb around a little more taking pressure of the top giving you a more balanced tiller. I think what you are seeing here is reflex below the knot.

You may also find after the adjustments that the knot becomes a bigger factor, if it does, scrap it too a little but only in the thick area.

This is what I would do if I wasn't happy with the tiller. Hope this helps.

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Re: Need more opinions on this tiller please (pics)
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2010, 07:13:44 pm »
Ok thanks for the info and help and the picture thanks Josh
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Re: Need more opinions on this tiller please (pics)
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2010, 01:23:42 am »
josh get john.lol...looks great..so,are you having fun with the sticks..hunting season is next week end better hurry up...just joking take your time..you should have a late season..john