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Offline faltenhemd

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Re: Apache Arrows - Latest Project
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2009, 02:42:43 am »
never too much info ;D
thanks alot patrick!
i will try to make an arrowhead like yours. i got an angle grinder and an old cirular saw blade...

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Re: Apache Arrows - Latest Project
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2009, 11:38:48 pm »
nice colors, how exactly did u make the red. Im new at making paint and i have the red ochre but i just cant make it into paint

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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2009, 04:42:37 pm »
Dmann, I'll try to explain the way I make my paint.  I wish I had more pictures....

First I buy the pigment and the shellac.
I prefer to buy the pigment because it's already finely ground and contains no impurities.

The shellac I buy is called button-lac.
I crush it before dissolving in denatured alcohol.
(with a little helper, of course...the kids really enjoy the painting-making...)








The crushed shellac is then dissolved in about twice as much alcohol (by volume) as the shellac.
It normally takes 3 days for the shellac to dissolve.




The shellac mixture is then strained, and then I add enough pigment to make the paint opaque (non-transparent).
This particular type of red pigment that I use is rather gritty, but I think that adds to the "primitive" effect.

I usually allow the paint to dry for at least 12 hours before I handle it...even though it will be dry to the touch after only a few minutes.
It gets really hard and will stick to almost any surface.


You can also mix the pigment with egg yolk, hide glue, beeswax, or pine rosin.  The egg yolk is probably the easiest.  The hide glue needs to be thinned with a little water before you add the pigment....so it won't gel too quickly.  The other two will need to be warmed up before you can paint with them.  The beeswax has a lower melting point than rosin, so it will be easier....but neither will be easy to paint with...and will tend to drip and run if you heat up the paint too much.

Of course, there are those that will say, "Just get some acrylic binder 'cause it's cheap and easy!".  That's all well and fine.  Personally, I like to experiment with and use the stuff that was available before 1900.

A good place to look for instructions on making your own paint is art supply websites.  They sometimes have tutorials on how to make you own "historically accurate" paints.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2009, 07:01:53 pm by jackcrafty »
Any critter tastes good with enough butter on it.

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Re: Apache Arrows - Latest Project
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2009, 04:59:03 pm »
Patrick, Where do you get the shellac "buttons"?
Make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes!    Pat Brennan  Brevard, NC

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Re: Apache Arrows - Latest Project
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2009, 05:10:16 pm »
Pat, I knew someone would ask me that....

Let me look.  I'll be right back. :)
Any critter tastes good with enough butter on it.

Patrick Blank
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Where's Rock? Public Waterways, Road Cuts, Landscape Supply, Knap-Ins.
How to Cook It?  200° for 24hrs then 275° to 500° for 4hrs (depending on type), Cool for 12hr

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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2009, 05:16:53 pm »
Here's the link:

---http://www.shellacshack.com/purchase-shellac-flakes-1.html

The "Light Pure Buttonlac" is about half way down the page.
Any critter tastes good with enough butter on it.

Patrick Blank
Midland, Texas
Youtube: JackCrafty, Allergic Hobbit, Patrick Blank

Where's Rock? Public Waterways, Road Cuts, Landscape Supply, Knap-Ins.
How to Cook It?  200° for 24hrs then 275° to 500° for 4hrs (depending on type), Cool for 12hr

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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2009, 05:34:05 pm »
Thanks!  Sorry to make you strain your brain! ;D
Make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes!    Pat Brennan  Brevard, NC

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Re: Apache Arrows - Latest Project
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2009, 07:22:29 pm »
Very nice looking work. They would be a very prized posession.
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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2009, 07:28:25 pm »
Thanks Ronnie.   :)

Pat, it's not a problem....brain strain is, uh, ....very much a part of my day anyway.
Any critter tastes good with enough butter on it.

Patrick Blank
Midland, Texas
Youtube: JackCrafty, Allergic Hobbit, Patrick Blank

Where's Rock? Public Waterways, Road Cuts, Landscape Supply, Knap-Ins.
How to Cook It?  200° for 24hrs then 275° to 500° for 4hrs (depending on type), Cool for 12hr

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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2009, 02:09:09 am »
Very nice arrows and great information.  I notice a few jars in your pics.... how long will that paint last sealed in a canning jar like that?

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« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2009, 01:05:38 pm »
Aosda, shellac has a shelf life of less than 6 months in most cases.  Dewaxed shellac lasts about half as long. Dry shellac flakes last about 2-3 years before they become difficult to dissolve.  The type of jar doesn't make too much difference as far as shelf life, but the more air-tight the lid the better, obviously.

The mix I use for paint is a 4# cut in woodworker speak.  If you don't speak woodworker...that means 4oz of shellac (by weight) to 1 cup of alcohol.  I don't usually measure mine...I just use about twice as much alcohol (by volume) as shellac.....because I don't like taking the extra time it takes to set up the scale.  If the mix seems a little thick...I just add more alcohol.  Different pigments react differently when mixed with shellac, so you've got to experiment.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2009, 01:10:05 pm by jackcrafty »
Any critter tastes good with enough butter on it.

Patrick Blank
Midland, Texas
Youtube: JackCrafty, Allergic Hobbit, Patrick Blank

Where's Rock? Public Waterways, Road Cuts, Landscape Supply, Knap-Ins.
How to Cook It?  200° for 24hrs then 275° to 500° for 4hrs (depending on type), Cool for 12hr

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Re: Apache Arrows - Latest Project
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2009, 01:11:15 pm »
Good info, thanks.