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Title: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: devilfishsix on October 18, 2008, 10:48:59 am
i wont call this a bow but i still enjoyed making it and it only puls 30 lb so not going to kill anything, except the odd chicken straying in to my target area, perhaps. thought id show u it so u know what a bow doesnt look like i used para cord and i basically did anything i could so i could shoot something lol and i aint posting the pic of my home made arrows lol. well i enjoyed it and i can sqewer a bale of hay at 30 paces with it lol

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Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: John K on October 18, 2008, 11:00:18 am
Nothing wrong with that ! I wouldn't want to get shot with it !!
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: JackCrafty on October 18, 2008, 11:01:06 am
Looks like one of my first bows.  Is it green or dry?

Have fun and keep at it! ;D
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: Bowbound on October 18, 2008, 11:03:33 am
I guess ya gotta start somewhere.

Better than my first attempt which ended in two parts. :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: Pat B on October 18, 2008, 11:18:43 am
You can learn all the basics of bow building with a bow like that  8) and in a survival situation it could save your life.   Way to go!  keep it up!     Pat
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: kayakfisher on October 18, 2008, 11:31:26 am
It reminds me of the very first bow I ever made.I was about eight nine years old took a mullberry limb bent it and tied a piece of kite string to both ends. Took the dowel rod from the kite and lashed a big carpet needle to the end of it . Cut a slot in the other end and reeked havoc on the neighbors and every stray cat I could find. Until my parents figured out what I was doing and that was the end of that.And the beginning of a rather lengthy lecture entitled Thou shalt not kill unless you consume and we do not eat Kitty cats.
               Dennis
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: devilfishsix on October 18, 2008, 11:36:14 am
well i am glad u think it looks nice even my mum had a few shots with it and she enjoyed it i used basic peices of bamboo as arrows with cardboard flights bound in with garden wire, lol it is green very u can see the saw i cut it of the tree with this morning its hazel. i used my fishing scales to weigh the pull and i did hear a creek at 40 so im asuming 30 is its weight but id like to make a flat bow next. i cnat get strings pout where i am its miles to a town so used para cord im assuming this is not a good string as braid etc seems to be better iv never actually owned or shot a bow before so i am now in at the deep end of both aspects of the sport not knowing much,thankfully all the info i read here sure helps thank you all oh yes doent a bow return to straight after u remove the string umm mine doesnt lol oh well  >:D
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: OldBow on October 18, 2008, 12:02:18 pm
I would call it a bow. And you can kill a deer with a 30 lb bow if your arrow points are sharp enough.  What kind of wood is it?
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: devilfishsix on October 18, 2008, 12:07:33 pm
its european hazel i live in france id like to make a bow strong enough for wild boar as they are all over this region im thinking war bow for that but i most likely am wrong lol. ty for the it is a bow comment thats made my day >:D
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: sailordad on October 18, 2008, 12:51:58 pm
yup dont kid yourself, a thirty lb bow can kill deer sized game if your shot placement is good,here in mn they just legalized 30 lb draw for deer hunting.
keep it up,your on your way to being addicted if your not by now. ;)


                                                                                              tim
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: devilfishsix on October 18, 2008, 02:25:41 pm
well i have to admit i am lol i am constantly reading the how toos and your wonderful comments sure help to inspire and encourage id like to be able to get tillering right learn more about fades and make a more effective way of meauring oull then my fishing scales but iv many autumn days fading to winter ones to try and make a nicer bow ill keep u posted on any failures or succsesses imay have and who knows i may one day win bow of the month! ty again
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: sailordad on October 18, 2008, 02:31:10 pm
dont worry about BOM , concentrate your efforts on proper tiller, once you get that down then think about BOM
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: devilfishsix on October 18, 2008, 02:55:55 pm
a fully nice lined bow is my first aim ie tillered right i think a flat self bow will be easist from hazel hope im right
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: michbowguy on October 18, 2008, 11:17:40 pm
make another one just like that,and bind them together with jute twine!
that should double the lbs!

you know, sometimes we ALL should just go out and build such a bow my friend...
as it teaches us all something different every time we do!

good job.
now do a little scraping and then put some oil on the belly of the bow and strengthen it up a little and you will have a fun little bow!

jamie
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: D. Tiller on October 18, 2008, 11:45:22 pm
You can kill a deer or a grown man with a 30# bow so don't you go shooting it at people!!!!   ;)

The !Kung of the Kalahari use a 15 to 20# bows to hunt large game. Of course their arrows are poisoned! But hey they are doing it!
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: michbowguy on October 19, 2008, 12:45:12 am
is the !kung one of the click and clack languages?
cluck,tuck,sac,click ,clac,pht,tahng.....i heard a south african exchange student talk in some of these dialects and it was just amazing.
im not sure in the spelling but its pretty close to what they sounded out to be!

plus he had some pics of the bushman with their bows and arrows,and spears...
alot of the arrows were pretty small cane like with just a thin leather flight,the shaft was split down the center and wraped from further comming apart and the tips were cold forged steel with barbed points with lots of nicks and scrathes to hold the poison.
 the forged tip looked like a metal winged "wintu" point and they flared out greatly and was sharpened on both sides for it to just scratch the victim and the poison will do its work!

the shaft was used multipe times as the tip was a friction fit ,and was designed to fall off,they kept the rest in a hard bamboo type grass tube,for saftey.
the bow looked to me no longer than 36in long...if that.
and if theh archer drew the bow back with his right hand he canted the bow hard left and rested the arrow shaft atop his thumb and index finger shaped to form a "y",whilst holding the bow.
i remember the pics vividly.
he said that one of the reson for smaler bows is it just takes soo long for large trees to grow! as the animals keep the new buds and young trees clipped quite regulary,and the larger material was for shelter building, bridges.
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: Keenan on October 19, 2008, 12:51:01 am
 Congratulations ;) Any bow that will shoot an arrow is something to be proud of. You'll get better and learn from each one, but don't miss the enjoyment and special feeling that comes from your first bow. There is something magical and addicting and like most of us you'll probably keep that first one for the rest of your life ;) Have a good time shooting
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: Shooter_G22 on October 19, 2008, 01:30:19 am
first i have to say,  GOOD JOB!!!

its funny how a bow like that will bring out the instinct in a man...   that is the basic and if you get real good with shooting that one then when and if you do build or aquire another bow that might be better or heavier pull... then you should be a ok when your shooting it...

paracord is a great string to use for now...   i have used it myself for bows such as that one for my kids that i have been teaching to build a stick survival bow...  and i have one one a 35# fiberglass long bow that my little cousin found in my grandfathers shed after he passed away...
i know i should put a better string on that bow but my little cousin wont have it he likes the paracord and he likes the fact that its a military cord on his bow...

i also used the para cord for my long string for tillering and all the way through the building process until the bow was complete and then i went and bought a fast flight string...  cuase i havent started twisting my own string...

so dont look down on that paracord...  if its the military 550 with the braided cord and several smaller strands inside the outer braid then its good stuff...  if its the french military paracord also good but it is a little thicker braid and solid with no strands on the inside... also good just thicker...

either way para cord is awsome for a survival bow or even a good quility stick bow... it might have a little give to it but if you pull it tight to where the tension is out like you got on yours then its works just fine...  might give a little string follow so make sure you got something on your forarm to protct from slap... but it works and i use it too...

also if you let that bow dry out it will up the wieght and and give a little more snap to it...
and your bow is still soo wet and fresh that it wont go back to straight right off hand becuase it is wet soo next time if you let your limb dry up then it will help to go back to origanal shape...


Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: devilfishsix on October 19, 2008, 07:01:49 am
i have to thank all of you for your kind words and support, i really didnt think it was as nice a bow as all that but now i feel even more endeared to it.
 I had planed on smoothing it doen some and letting her dry for i put a grip on it my bro is in england is planning oin sending me a string which ill use on my next bow as i plan to tidy this up and let my mom use it as she doenst set it past 25 lb it shoudl last longer, and she enjoed using it.
I am going to try and gather some green bamboo and make some arrows but i plan tin heads as i have no experience napping and am not handy with a grinder etc for steel ones though i can use tin snips and cut n fold a rough triangle from a tin and bind that in maybe my next ones wil look better and ill use grey geese feathers as we have geese here bind of woith red silk..
and once again thank you to all of ure comments help and words fo encouragment i am now hooked for life
 
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: jamie on October 20, 2008, 06:24:22 am
hazels a tough wood . ya let it set aside and dry and it'll get stronger. good job
Title: Re: hmm a stick with a string on it
Post by: Pappy on October 20, 2008, 06:29:53 am
Simple but effective.  :) Nice job.
   Pappy