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Title: selfbow
Post by: james parker on July 23, 2008, 06:03:54 pm
hey guys heres a  holm bow i  mades for a fellow, hope that he likes it.........tell me what you think.....yew,65#@28"..........robustus

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Title: Re: selfbow
Post by: Badger on July 23, 2008, 06:15:32 pm
   Great job on that one, you even have the outer limbs bending a tad. I bet she is as fast as she looks. Steve
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Post by: Pat B on July 23, 2008, 06:46:57 pm
She came out real nice James. 8)  Like Badger, I see you have the outer limbs bending also. I believe that to be the correct tiller for a Holmgaard bow. The tiller is an arc like the ELBs.  I'd bet she is quick.   Will you bring her along this weekend?     Pat
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Post by: Dustybaer on July 23, 2008, 06:48:51 pm
wow, look at those tips.  how wide are they?  great looking bow.  unusual tiller for a holmi, but i like it.

i'm with badger on the speed.  she's got to be fast.

pat, we posted simultaneously.  don't you think the tips were stiff on the later holmegaard bows and acted merely as levers?
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Post by: Kegan on July 23, 2008, 06:59:24 pm
That's a real beauty. Bet it's just a joy to shoot, as well as quick. How long is it?
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Post by: Pat B on July 23, 2008, 07:02:46 pm
Marius, The article Hillery Greenland did for PA about her Holmy said that the tips do bend a bit at full draw. The small diameter(ie. less weight) with a bit of bend at full draw would add bunches to the speed.     Pat

ps. everybody is stepping on each others toes with this bow. Lets see what Kegan has to say.
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Post by: Dano on July 23, 2008, 07:09:29 pm
Nicely done James.
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Post by: koan on July 23, 2008, 07:22:23 pm
Awesome bow.....Brian
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Post by: RG on July 23, 2008, 07:53:31 pm
Good looking one James he better like it

Ron
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Post by: adb on July 23, 2008, 08:02:39 pm
It's my understanding, and application, that the narrowed outer limbs on a Holmegaard bow are to act as levers, and therefore should not bend. However, there is controversy in this regard, and many interpretations, like this one, exist. A very nice bow, and I bet it's cast is very good.
Title: Re: selfbow
Post by: james parker on July 23, 2008, 08:06:32 pm
thanks guys...i think i may bend just a tad more than it should  in the upper part of the limbs ,but i think it is due to the fact that it is yew,if any of you have worked this wood you know how rubbery it can be when you flex it,i kept the tips down to the minimum that the wood would take without whip ending the bow
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Post by: Justin Snyder on July 23, 2008, 08:17:47 pm
Nice bow James.  I like the bend in the limbs. Most of the holmies you see have 6" of working limb.  They don't even use all of the wide part of the limb. Justin
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Post by: Cromm on July 23, 2008, 08:18:54 pm
Hi,Very nice work!!!!!
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Post by: Rich Saffold on July 23, 2008, 08:20:26 pm
Ya that looks real good! ;D
Title: Re: selfbow
Post by: james parker on July 23, 2008, 08:22:20 pm
thanks justin i actually do a reverse tiller on all holm bows i build its a lot easier than a normal tiller technique it just takes a bit longer to complete
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Post by: Sidewinder on July 23, 2008, 08:28:25 pm
Man, the tiller on that one is killer. Oops I'm a poet that didn't know it. Nice job.  Danny
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Post by: Woodland Roamer on July 23, 2008, 09:00:19 pm
Nice bow James, that profile and tiller looks great.

Alan
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Post by: NOMADIC PIRATE on July 23, 2008, 09:10:25 pm
That is the best tiller I've seen on a Holmie yet !
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Post by: D. Tiller on July 23, 2008, 09:29:26 pm
I LIKE IT!!! Whats the point on that arrow, by the way?
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Post by: Marc St Louis on July 23, 2008, 09:58:27 pm
Very nice bow
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Post by: james parker on July 23, 2008, 10:33:08 pm
thats rhyolite ,tiller,and thanks to all you guys for your compliments,im glad to be a part of this site, and PA, it is so nice to talk with people that can appreciate  archery for what it is,i have lingered in the shadows and background for years doing my own thing,because of the mockery and jest that most other bowhunters have made about primitive bows and the skills alike.i hope to be  here for a long time,i dont know everything but i do have input and suggestions,and will help anyone i can,i will do my best to share info and knowledge as i can, and try to do some tutorials and build alongs if i can  pull everything together.   thanks again  all of you.............robustus
Title: Re: selfbow
Post by: Dano on July 23, 2008, 10:44:25 pm
James, I saw your work at ATAR a few years back, you my friend are a vital member of this community.
Title: Re: selfbow
Post by: james parker on July 23, 2008, 11:04:12 pm
hey pat im not sure im gonna get to come to your gettogether, i wont know till fri mid day, i may have to work  with the nature conservancy crew fri and sunday i may have fri off maybe midday ill let you know im flagging the hemlocks here for treatment of the wooly aldigd
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Post by: koan on July 23, 2008, 11:33:35 pm
James, is this a good design for ash? Got a couple of ash boards from the amish, really straight grained( even chased a ring on one of them). Been wantin to try one of these....Brian
Title: Re: selfbow
Post by: Pat B on July 23, 2008, 11:45:44 pm
James, I understand but hope you make it. Bring some of them hemlock flags and fix my trees too. ;D I got adelgids too! :(
Brian, I would say yes for an ash Holmgaard especially with a full arc tiller like James'.
Title: Re: selfbow
Post by: james parker on July 23, 2008, 11:59:35 pm
go for it youll never know till you try,if you got two try twice
Title: Re: selfbow
Post by: adb on July 24, 2008, 12:49:25 am
Hey, James
What do you mean when you say "reverse tiller?"
Title: Re: selfbow
Post by: james parker on July 24, 2008, 01:20:22 am
i tiller from the tips toward the handle,oppisite of the norm
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Post by: D. Tiller on July 24, 2008, 02:34:16 am
James, I thought I was the only one doing that! Good to know I'm not an oddball!!!  ;D
Title: Re: selfbow
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2008, 03:48:57 am
       I think this is about the nicest version of a modified holmie I have seen. I am going to save the pic to my lap top and use it for a model. Steve
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Post by: Pappy on July 24, 2008, 05:35:32 am
Nice job James,you do some fine work. :)
   Pappy
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Post by: DanaM on July 24, 2008, 07:37:10 am
I'm no judge of the holmie style but that bow is down right purty James. Glad to see you posting your bows.
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Post by: GregB on July 24, 2008, 08:14:43 am
That's a really good looking bow James! I'm glad you're getting involved here...your experience will be very welcome! ;)
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Post by: cowboy on July 24, 2008, 09:41:13 am
Fine lookin Holmie James, glad to see ya around too - your work is inspirational :).
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Post by: Mechslasher on July 24, 2008, 11:27:22 am
beautiful!
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Post by: Pamunkey on July 24, 2008, 12:42:22 pm
Beautiful bow- what are the dimensions?  I've been thinking of making one myself, but I've been a little intimidated by the tillering.

Will
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Post by: woodenwonder on July 24, 2008, 01:25:45 pm
Nice, that style of bow made from yew. I'ld like to know how fast it shoots. Gary
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Post by: OldBow on July 31, 2008, 09:48:17 pm
James - I missed this one (camping, I guess).   Great use for yew and what a fine bow. Got you bookmarked for August Self Bows of the Month!
Title: Re: selfbow
Post by: ber643 on August 05, 2008, 11:20:37 am
This is a revelation to me, James, since I am working on a Holmegaard type, even as we speak. I love the look of yours. Mine looks like it might at least be headed that way  ;D. Since my Holmi is only my third bow, I don't think I will try to go as small/flexible in the "non-working" outter linbs/tips as you did but it shows me an idea of just how far I could go, if push came to shove, and still have a fine looking bow.  It also reminds me I still have a lot further to go with them, in any case - LOL. Of course I still have a lot of "thickness" to take off my working limb sections as well. Being I am working from a tough ol'  Hickory stave, I am working my "puny" little arms and shoulders to death  :-[ - wish i had even half of your "hammers" now -  :D I gotta go "chew" on it some more, right now!
Title: Re: selfbow
Post by: Little John on August 17, 2008, 11:27:27 am
The way I have made mine and in the words of Tim Baker is to let the last six inches bend just enough to know you have got rid of all the outer mass as possible. It is scarry how narrow you can make the outer tips, and mine has zero hand shock. Beautiful bow James, glad to see you posting, I know we can all learn lots from you.
                                                                                                                                                          Kenneth
Title: Re: selfbow
Post by: Keenan on August 17, 2008, 03:46:39 pm
 Simply Awesome ;)  I've always wondered about that style on yew.  Looks like it would smoke an arrow. Congratulations, you did great.
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Post by: cracker on August 17, 2008, 06:17:25 pm
I'm completely satisfied go ahead and ship it to........
R.C.
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Post by: DirtyDan on August 17, 2008, 07:29:05 pm
Excellent job, James.  What an awesome looking bow.  I loved it from the beginning.  Great work!!

Dan
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Post by: George Tsoukalas on August 17, 2008, 11:05:34 pm
Awesome holmie tiller! Jawge
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Post by: bootboy on August 18, 2008, 04:46:34 am
Oi robustus lets see the tips