Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: cracker on July 13, 2008, 10:47:34 am
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Okay, here ia my first osage effort. It is 68 inches over all, 66 inches N T N, 1 1/2 inches wide, 9/16 at the nocks, 6 inch handle. It has a kink just below the handle and a funny looking knot in the middle of the kink. look it over and let me know what you think.
Because if pic size there will be several post to show all pics.
Ronnie
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I would soak that spot with super glue and keep on keeping on with what you are doing. ;) Pat
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...it does look like you could work a bit more on the outside 2/3 of each limb and leave the inside 1/3(near the fades) alone for a while. Pat
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...it does look like you could work a bit more on the outside 2/3 of each limb and leave the inside 1/3(near the fades) alone for a while. Pat
Thanks Pat I was thinking the same thing I just wanted a little confirmation.The kink messes with me.
Thanks Ronnie
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Ronnie, Kinks mess with everyones minds when it comes to tillering. ;) I find that if I squint my eyes and look at the overall shape, instead of the details I can see the correct bend of the bow. The nice thing about osage is it is more forgiving than other bow woods. You still should go about bow building using the proper methods. ;)
Work the outer areas of the limbs, exercise the wood well and move on to the next step.
If you don't mind, I will move this to "Bows" so you can get more comments and advice. Pat
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If you don't mind me asking. What draw length/weight are you looking for? At the dimensions you have now your way over built for your average Osage bow. For a 28" or less draw I wouldn't go over 64" ntn with Osage, and 1 1/2" wide is pretty generous as well depending on what kind of draw weight your after, and 9/16" at the tips will jar your teeth out. 3/8" at the nocks is plenty wide for osage. Good luck. Looks like your getting it bending pretty good.
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Looking good so far,I am with Ryan it is probably a little overbuilt,but I do that a lot myself.
I am looking more for longevity than performance anyway. :) Not that them built right on
the edge won't last I just don't push the limit much. Keep us posted as you move along. :)
Pappy
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Ryano and Pappy
Glad to hear from you guys. I kinda had 60#at 28 in mind.The reason for having it so wide is that the vertical grain wanders from the center of the handle to very near the edge of the limb in a place or two before winding up in the center of the nock. I'm not very familiar with osage so I thought this would be an error on the safe side.This is all an experiment to me so if you guys got a recomendation I'll try it.
Thanks for looking.R.C.
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Looking good so far Ronnie, your taking your time and that's good :). Hope she holds up for ya, and if not well you know ::) :).
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Thanks Cowboy
It's always good to have a plan B.
Ron
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Looks like you need to get some bending mid limb on -both limbs. Jawge
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Here is links to additional tiller pics
Ronnie
http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k383/ronniecoursey/100_0084.jpg
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Cracker,
The worst possiable place for a bow to take set is right at the fades or handel area, makes for a real slow bow. You are on your way to some set if you keep pulling that bow the way it is. Got to get those limbs bending allot more. Just look at the angle comming right at the fades and that will help guide you where you need to bend. Espically the one on the left. Keep the pics ccomming.
SJM
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Cracker your probably tired of hearing the same thing but you need to work on the outer 2/3 of the limbs I use a 3 or 4 inch straight edge
and run it along the underside and watch for were it is bending and were it is flat in case you miss it with the naked eye
Ron
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Ryano and Pappy
Glad to hear from you guys. I kinda had 60#at 28 in mind.The reason for having it so wide is that the vertical grain wanders from the center of the handle to very near the edge of the limb in a place or two before winding up in the center of the nock. I'm not very familiar with osage so I thought this would be an error on the safe side.This is all an experiment to me so if you guys got a recomendation I'll try it.
Thanks for looking.R.C.
Ron, are you saying you didn't follow the lateral grain when you cut out the shape of the limbs? I hope thats not the case. You need to follow the grain or your going to have problems down the road. Osage is unforgiving of not following the grain. I agree with what the others have said about the tiller.
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Ryano and Pappy
Glad to hear from you guys. I kinda had 60#at 28 in mind.The reason for having it so wide is that the vertical grain wanders from the center of the handle to very near the edge of the limb in a place or two before winding up in the center of the nock. I'm not very familiar with osage so I thought this would be an error on the safe side.This is all an experiment to me so if you guys got a recomendation I'll try it.
Thanks for looking.R.C.
Ron, are you saying you didn't follow the lateral grain when you cut out the shape of the limbs? I hope thats not the case. You need to follow the grain or your going to have problems down the road. Osage is unforgiving of not following the grain. I agree with what the others have said about the tiller.
Ryano The bow was already roughed out when I got it. Kinda locked into that part so I figured I'd see what happened for educational purposes.Ron
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Hmm, looks like it's coming together. That left limb does look to be hinging right out of the fade a little. Looks like your following the grain and it's telling you what to do. As said before, you need to get the inner two thirds of the limbs bending more to match the fades. I got a feeling your gonna make a good bow out of that thing mister Ronnie ;).
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What YewArcher said !!!!!!! Stay off the fades and get the mid and outer limbs moving.
As far as the longitudinal grain I hope it is close ,if you can see it and it is running off the side
see if you can adjust the profile a little and match the other limb to it before you go to far on
the tiller,or you may concider backing it with rawhide.Some time if I have a little run off
I will take a chance till I get it pretty close to full draw and the rap it right at the run off with
sinew and usually won't give ant trouble.Then you can match the rap on the other limb and it looks pretty good.Keep us posted. :)
Pappy
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Hy everyone thanks for the info . After sitting here staring at the pictures until I almost went cross eyed I think I see what you all mean.Thanks for keeping up with me.
R.C.
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new pics of first osage bow. please check them out.
http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k383/ronniecoursey/100_0102.jpg
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I think that's lookin damn good Ronnie. There's some whooptedo's in the stave that makes it look like something funky goin on mainly in the left limb "like a hinge" but that's an optical illusion. I'm lookin at the siding on the building behind it - makes it look like the right limb is bending more but I think your T stick is leaning to the right. Can't tell much more with short draw and long string - mid limbs out might be a little stiff. That's just me, if I was working on that one here I'd be scraping just outside the fades to six inches of the tips to get more bending going on - now my eyes are gettin crossed ;D.
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I think that's lookin damn good Ronnie. There's some whooptedo's in the stave that makes it look like something funky goin on mainly in the left limb "like a hinge" but that's an optical illusion. I'm lookin at the siding on the building behind it - makes it look like the right limb is bending more but I think your T stick is leaning to the right. Can't tell much more with short draw and long string - mid limbs out might be a little stiff. That's just me, if I was working on that one here I'd be scraping just outside the fades to six inches of the tips to get more bending going on - now my eyes are gettin crossed ;D.
Thanks Cowboy thats what I was thinking the whooptedos really throw a wrench in my works. I'm used to the nice straight hickory. I do agree about an optical illusion. I haven't touched the whooptedos since getting it roughed out. They don't bend none.
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Looking better,Still looks like the middle 1/3 need a little more ,then pull it down another notch or 2 and see what it looks like,It is coming along. :)
Pappy
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Looking better,Still looks like the middle 1/3 need a little more ,then pull it down another notch or 2 and see what it looks like,It is coming along. :)
Pappy
Thanks Pappy.
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Make sure you work those limbs a lot of short strokes between scrapping sessions to make sure the wood is accepting the changes. ;)
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Make sure you work those limbs a lot of short strokes between scrapping sessions to make sure the wood is accepting the changes. ;)
Thanks Greg I have been doing that probably 30 or 40 between shaving and checking.
Thanks Ronnie
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I'll be out of here for a few days,can't wait to see the progess when I get back,easy and slow.
Look a lot and scrap a little. :) You can't put wood back on. ;)
Pappy
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Get a short string on it before you go any farther... ;)
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Get a short string on it before you go any farther... ;)
Ryano I was thinking about low brace I really don't think its ready for full brace. What do you think?
Thanks Ron
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More tillering pictures for Paul.
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That's looking darn good to me Ronnie. That fade on the left with the whooptedoo kinda throws me a little but in the end you want a good even tiller. Both them limbs are looking good and stiff/stout. The eaisiest thing for me is to kinda get the limbs bending evenly, and get em going just at the fades, then a good symetrical bend from there to about six inches from the tips - that's just the way I like to do it :).
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That's looking darn good to me Ronnie. That fade on the left with the whooptedoo kinda throws me a little but in the end you want a good even tiller. Both them limbs are looking good and stiff/stout. The eaisiest thing for me is to kinda get the limbs bending evenly, and get em going just at the fades, then a good symetrical bend from there to about six inches from the tips - that's just the way I like to do it :).
Thanks Paul maybe by the end of the week I'll have some full draw pics for ya.R.C.
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The last pics including full draw and first group.
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Looks mighty nice ronnie and a heck of a nice group there. So why haven'y you joined the Christmas Trade eh> :)
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Looks mighty nice ronnie and a heck of a nice group there. So why haven'y you joined the Christmas Trade eh> :)
Dana thanks for the compliment. I intend to join the Christmas trade I'm waiting on a particular piece of raw material I want the gift that I send to be extra special.Cracker
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Well don't wait to long eh, and anything from a big ole cracker like you has to be special :D
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Durn, Ronnie. Looking at the pic's I was thinking that the left limb was a tad stiff. But toward the end it opened up to match. Looking at that group of arra's - I'd say you've got yerself a good shooter. Fine bow ya got there, and wish I could shoot like that ;).
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Thanks Brother keep in mind that is only a ten yard group. I just thought it was amazing that it was the first arrows fired from a new bow.R.C.
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I've got to do some target shootin. Have been out haunting the critters, a lot of giveme shot's I've missed (just by a little :)). So that tells me that - well, I've got my work cut out for me. I don't want to blow my first shot on a deer come season here in abouit a month ::) :).
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Nicely done. Tiller is right on. Jawge
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I'm with cowboy on the right limb,but sometime it is hard to tell on the tree,sometime
they look better when drawn by hand like you are going to shoot it.It wasn't bad at all
just looked like it needed a little but with it shooting like that I would leave it alone.Nice
job on your first Osage and nice shooting.I think you should be ready for opening day,all you need is something to shoot at. :) :) Can't wait to see it all finished up. :)
Pappy
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George and Pappy
Thanks for the kind words.
Cowboy
I'm sure you will be ready when season gets here not a doubt in my mind.
"Cracker"
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Hello guys I'm all done with the first Osage bow I ever built. Just a simple leather handle and a homemade dacron string.It came out about fifty two lbs at twenty eight inches.shoots real good.Thanks for all the support and advice.Ronnie
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Looks very nice ronnie, love the last picture not sure I would want to run into ya in a dark alley ;) :D
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Great looking bow , Ronnie. Now go make some meat. ;)
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You did real good on that Cracker, Congratulations. ;)
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Nice bow Ronnie. That osage is something, ain't it? Pat
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Thanks guys its so much easier than hickory it feels like cheating. I got a pig stickin trip planned for this weedend if I don't gotta work.Ron
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Very nice and bookmarked ,too, for Oct Self Bow of the Month.
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Looks great Ronnie ! I hope my first Osage turns out as nice......easier than Hickory Hey ??
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Ronnie, its looks to me like you stuck that tiller. Good job. Bet it shoots good huh? Keep it up. Danny
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Looks great Ronnie ! I hope my first Osage turns out as nice......easier than Hickory Hey ??
John how is that hickory coming along?
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Looks great Ronnie,first Osage you done good,tiller looks great. Looks like a meat maker to me. :)
Pappy
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Where've I been lately? ??? I just now noticed this. ???
Great job Ronnie, that baby looks nice. I really like the stitch job on the grip. 8)
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Hey Ronnie, I have it just about floored tillered...jsut need some time to work on it. Been trying to get my wood stove hooked up so i have some heat this winter....nice frost this morning !!
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Hello everyone thanks for all the nice words.Yeah I could see where you could get hooked on this stuff. Now I would like to get hold of a snakey piece to work on. Hint Hint Hint.
Have a great day Ronnie
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Really nice work, my first try at making a bow was the BL and it was a snake. From now on I will take the guys advice and get a few bows under my belt before I ever try another.
Robb