Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: uwe on June 14, 2008, 03:34:59 pm
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Look at Jim Hamms and Steve Allely`s book Vol.2 "Encyclopedia of Native American Bows, arrows and quivers" on page 152, Bow no. "B". I`ve made it little longer, about 4", 1/8" wider. When you have a look at the pics. you`ll see, that I`ve tillered it till sinewbacking up to bracehight. Think it has now about 30# starting at"0". It shall have 40- 45# when finished. When I draw it with 2 fingers and soon let the string flip, it makes a nice "Twang". It will be powerful, thats my opinion. More after backing and final tillering.
Regards Uwe
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Interesting bow there. That scull could sure scare some kids at night. :o Justin
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Hope not only kids! >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
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Starting off really nicely, Uwe. Looking forward to your progress. Pat
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Nice Bow Pat, I'm trying to get more stuff made with the leathers ya traded me,stuff goes a long way.
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I wish I had made it Phil. ??? Pat
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That's looking really good uwe, looking foward to seeing more of that one.
Alan
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Looks great and I love the nocks too.
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looks great uwe!!
frank
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Looking good. Jawge
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Nice Start Uwe....I am hooked on these kinds of Bows...You have to Love them.....their Simplicity is their Beauty...keep Us Posted
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nice lookin bow Uwe post it when it is all finnished
Dennis
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Sorry about that UWE, Your bow is very Nicely done.
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Looks pretty authentic.
Here's another look at a Sioux bow at the Cody Museum in Cody, WY:
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Now thats a true Sioux Bow Profile....nice....How did you get that Picture Don??? Most Museums wont let you photograph Artifacts....or is it a Replica??? If it is....it looks 100% authentic
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well, the bow is behind a glass and you can see some other artifacts in there also, so it's definitely from a museum. you can also see the flash of the camera on the galss.
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News of it! I´Ve done the backing yesterdayeve. I wrapped it to get a smoother surface, unwrapped it today and had a first look on it. Seems to get okay. Í`ll make a picture of it later and will bring it next time to you. Now its stored in my workshop for another day and then I`ll hang it into the wind.
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Now its finished. See some pics. First bracing. Details of sinewbacking. Unbraced pics. And finally the wrappings of sinew to secure the backing.
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For this little bows of 112,5 cm length I chose a drawweight of about 32 " at 20" which throws an arrow about 150 yds. Its a little more comfortable shooting with this drawweight, because the bows stacks the longer the draw gets.
I didn`t make a grip of another material, because the shown bow in Jim Hamms and Steve Allelys book does not haveone a epecial grip.
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Very nice. ;D
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Well Done - Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse would be proud of you.
Great candidate for July Self BOM
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Very well executed bow. I've been making several similiar bows myself lately. Haven't tried the sinew backing yet. These bows have a special beauty in their simplicity. Congratulations!!!!
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good job friend! thats great cast for such a low draw weight! deffinately something to be proud of.
Phil
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nice job there uwe,
i never liked pretty bows,plain and functional is what i like. that my friend is plain and looks very functionable. great job keep up the great work
she may not be the prettiest gal at the ball, but i bet when she starts dancing she turns alot of heads ;D
peace brother,
tim
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Great job Uwe, your bow turned out great! I've always wanted to make one of these myself and I think this one will inspire me to get started on it.
Alan
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Thank you all!
@ woodlandrunner: it will be worth a try. I`m amazed about the performance of this bow. It was a rest of Osage lying in my workshop which had nearly the dimensions. Then I traded some sinews with "Mullet" for TBB I and I had the material for this bow. Add some time and hidelue and you`ll have a nice littöe bow.
Does anyone about the original drawweights of such bows?
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Uwe, I've only been able to ovserve them in museums and it is very hard to judge their draw weight, especially given their short length. Photographs from the nineteenth century show Indian archers using the pinch method for drawing the bow and holding the arrow. I think it would be difficult to draw a heavy bow using this method, especially from horseback. Also , I think a heavy bow would not be necessary because the shots at buffalo were from less than 5 yards, probably only 2 or 3. Somebody is undoubtedly going to point out that mongol archers used heavy bows from horseback;however, these were war bows not hunting bows. I'm going to make a guess that the majority ofthe plains bows were in the 40 to 50 pound range. I emphasize it is just a guess.
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uwe now that you have that nice sinew souix replicate bow done . you shall send it to me in Missourri.
good lookin bow nice job
Dennis
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Very nice bow. Justin
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Nice job UWE. The question of "weight" on these NA bows has been around for some time. In the mid 70's I had a plains bow, allegedly Cheyenne, that had a similar profile but with recurved curved tips on it. It had a sinew string and was sinew backed. Before we knew better, :o it was tillered to 24". It was 42# at 24". It was in a Buffalo hide quiver. Remnants of the arrow case were still on the bottom of the quiver. I will try and locate a photo of it. (found "kinda" one). The bow now resides in a private collection in Colorado. The other items in the photos are a plains Indian "skinning set" two knives in a dual beaded sheath. The shirt is a "war shirt", Lakota Sioux" about 1870's. It had eight "scalp" locks on it, four front, four in the back. The other photo is the gold and silver Bowie knife that was on display at the 76 blade show in Chicago. This is an old scan and just a bit of trivia.
Dick
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Nice job,sweet looking bow. :)
Pappy
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uwe now that you have that nice sinew souix replicate bow done . you shall send it to me in Missourri.
good lookin bow nice job
Dennis
Well, would do it for a good trade. But the postage to US is f...y high! :o
Anotherone of this bowtype is on my workbench. I had a very rough piece of osage, which others may have send to fire, but I`ll make a bow of it!
Its length is about 96,5 cm, what should be around 3 ft. or 1 yard, 2", if I`m correct.
Regards Uwe
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Nice job UWE. The question of "weight" on these NA bows has been around for some time. In the mid 70's I had a plains bow, allegedly Cheyenne, that had a similar profile but with recurved curved tips on it. It had a sinew string and was sinew backed. Before we knew better, :o it was tillered to 24". It was 42# at 24". It was in a Buffalo hide quiver. Remnants of the arrow case were still on the bottom of the quiver. I will try and locate a photo of it. (found "kinda" one). The bow now resides in a private collection in Colorado. The other items in the photos are a plains Indian "skinning set" two knives in a dual beaded sheath. The shirt is a "war shirt", Lakota Sioux" about 1870's. It had eight "scalp" locks on it, four front, four in the back. The other photo is the gold and silver Bowie knife that was on display at the 76 blade show in Chicago. This is an old scan and just a bit of trivia.
Dick
Thanks a lot Dick! Now I have an idea of that my works seem to be on the right path. The feeling of shooting with this bow is agreeing with your "drawweight discription".
Even thanks for the nice pics. of original items.
Regards Uwe
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Uwe.....shipping isn't that bad.....as long as the Bow meets the length and girth measurements....this Bow under 60 inches packaged in a Tube....sent to the States....should not weigh more than 6 American Pounds....this adds up to $41.00 shipping ....plus Insurance....I ship Bows all over the World and use the Postal Service....so Unless the Postal Service in Germany is Outrageous....then it really isn't too bad.just make sure to read the Fine Print!!
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its a nice bow havent sinewed backed any of mine yet they all have been rawhide. Plan an getting some sinew next weekend I have a osage plains style cut out may put on it. Would like to make one out of ash and sinew back it if I can get some ash next weekend
Dennis
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Interesting Dennis!
I`ve heard in US there is different ash to european. The indians bows were made of prairieash? Is it correct? They have better attributes than european. But I think they must have wider limbs than osagebows.
Good success in your plan.
Regards Uwe