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Title: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on March 06, 2023, 09:18:40 am
I recently finished up an osage self bow that was quite a nice shooter and was going to be my "starter" for this falls season. I had shot it at least 150-200 times. Saturday morning I was shooting and heard a "tik". I continued shooting it and every few shots I'd hear that "tik" again. So, I went out to my shop and put it on the tree for a work out. Well, I got to about 24-25" and she gave up the ghost. The splice let go. Could have been bad glue or operator error. I didn't spend much time trying to figure it out. I decided to try something. I built this riser 6-7 years ago and haven't really done anything with it since. The original limbs I made for it sucked  :) So. I decided to turn lemons into lemonade. This combo is 67" and draws low 50's at my draw length of 29.5-30". I must admit the heavy riser really changes the feels of the self limbs, I mean really changes it. Very sooth, very quiet and solid as an oak tree. I am in the process of gluing up some osage/yew/boo limbs for it as well. Should have them done in the coming days and will add to this thread as I go.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on March 06, 2023, 09:19:39 am
Last few.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Stoker on March 06, 2023, 10:06:26 am
Nice rescue. Having different limbs will be great
Leroy
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Pat B on March 06, 2023, 10:08:15 am
I'll have a glass of that cool lemonade!   8)  :OK
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: osage outlaw on March 06, 2023, 10:31:39 am
Great way to save those limbs.   That's a sweet bow. 
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Will B on March 06, 2023, 11:33:45 am
Very nice bow and great way to save those limbs. Hope it produces for you this fall.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: bjrogg on March 06, 2023, 11:43:26 am
I'll have a glass of that cool lemonade!   8)  :OK



Pat beat me to it. Pour me a glass too.

Bjrogg
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Selfbowman on March 06, 2023, 11:46:02 am
Looks great pearl. I did that some years back you need to put plenty fade in the bolt on area. Or they hinge there. I learned that the hard way.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Selfbowman on March 06, 2023, 11:51:00 am
Also that moves your limbs forward. I’ve wanted to do them with the limbs on the belly side of the riser. Like black widow.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Hamish on March 06, 2023, 06:38:40 pm
Nice save.
What sort of glue did you use for the original splice?

I've had the same thing happen twice, when using consumer grade, hardware store epoxy(24hr).
One started to peel apart during tillering. The glue was very rubbery. Used heat, and acetone to remove residue and re glued with bow making epoxy.

Another splice got shocked when my ELB's lower limb struck a modern steel ground quiver at a crowded shooting line. Everyone else was shooting recurves or compounds, so their bow limbs were okay, much shorter and cleared the quiver. My limb was unharmed, but the shock travelled up into the splice and tore the glue line apart. The bow started to peel apart at the splice with every consecutive shot, until I realised what was going on, and stopped shooting.

Once again, quality epoxy and or wrapping the completed splice in twine bedded on epoxy and rubbed into the twine for extra measure stops the problem.

Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: bentstick54 on March 06, 2023, 09:38:48 pm
Nice looking save. Love the contrast between the riser and the limbs.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: George Tsoukalas on March 06, 2023, 11:02:48 pm
PD, nicely done! Great fix! Jawge
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: superdav95 on March 06, 2023, 11:38:41 pm
What a great idea.  Nice save.  I’ll have to remember this one.  I like it. 
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: bubby on March 06, 2023, 11:46:26 pm
Nice save pearly
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on March 07, 2023, 07:18:32 am
Hamish, I was using EA40.

Thanks guys, it was a fun Saturday afternoon project.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Marc St Louis on March 07, 2023, 07:52:02 am
Turned out well
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Pappy on March 07, 2023, 07:59:49 am
 Beautiful bow Chris, very nice save !! Pappy
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: IdahoMatt on March 07, 2023, 09:12:18 am
Very nice recovery Chris.  Been a while sense I have seen one of your bows.  Nice to see you’re still at it.  That really turned out great.  Fine job.  I bet it’s gonna shoot like a dream
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Phillip King on March 07, 2023, 05:50:54 pm
 :) :BB
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Parnell on March 08, 2023, 09:19:03 am
Nice, Chris.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Stixnstones on March 08, 2023, 10:17:31 am
Great save, cant wait to see the next set of limbs
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Post by: paulsemp on March 08, 2023, 04:18:56 pm
Looking good! You should pay more attention to where you get your glue from
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Kidder on March 09, 2023, 01:35:40 am
My head is kind of exploding here! I’ve seen a bunch of attempts at all wood bows like that and none of them turned out, until now. I’m really impressed!
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: simk on March 09, 2023, 03:04:09 am
Great recycling. I'd be  curious to shoot that bow, before and after the procedure, just to see the effects of that modern middle part. 
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on March 09, 2023, 01:02:21 pm
Thanks guys, it was a fun Saturday afternoon project. And it took a little sting away from losing the bow they came from.

simk - the shot is unique. It's hard to feel that the limbs are osage self limbs. It feels more like a typical fiberglass sandwich R/D would. I have a feeling, if they hold together, that my osage/yew/boo limbs are going to really perform. 
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: bradsmith2010 on March 09, 2023, 01:06:22 pm
congrats, nice save,,  (-S
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Selfbowman on March 10, 2023, 11:32:46 am
I have probably 30 sets of belly drops from my selfbows that would make this type of bow . You know what my wood looks like . Pearl you want some?
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on March 10, 2023, 11:53:45 am
I'd love that, Arvy. I need at least 32" pieces to get ample length limbs for my draw. Thanks for asking.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: PaSteve on March 10, 2023, 09:06:54 pm
That looks great Pearl. Like already mentioned. Great save.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Zugul on March 11, 2023, 08:57:54 am
wonderful idea! Makes me think if I can do something similar to salvage some of my worse staves (I've never spliced billest and this seems "easyer")
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Phillip King on March 13, 2023, 09:08:14 pm
 (--) 8)Great recovery
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Selfbowman on March 13, 2023, 09:55:47 pm
I'd love that, Arvy. I need at least 32" pieces to get ample length limbs for my draw. Thanks for asking.
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Yes I have got a bunch 30” if you can make that work. Lots of widths. Mostly pyramid. You might make the riser section a inch or so longer and mount them with deflex in the limbs.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on March 14, 2023, 07:37:16 am
Started bending on the boo/yew/osage limbs. I used the G Flex 650. So far so good. I just couldn't stomach the cost of EA40. I wont pay that much for glue.

Marc gave me the idea of the shaped bezel.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: superdav95 on March 14, 2023, 12:02:49 pm
Looks really good.  The trad guys would be salivating😁
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on March 14, 2023, 12:18:41 pm
They get all bent out of shape, Dave. Sooooo confusing :). I make it more confusing by being a total archery nut. If it throws an arrow I'm interested in it.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: bentstick54 on March 14, 2023, 02:29:08 pm
They get all bent out of shape, Dave. Sooooo confusing :). I make it more confusing by being a total archery nut. If it throws an arrow I'm interested in it.
Now that’s funny.
Title: Re: Turning lemons into lemonade
Post by: Marc St Louis on March 22, 2023, 07:15:01 pm
That turned out well Chris