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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: bluejack on March 05, 2023, 09:46:41 am

Title: ash stave profile
Post by: bluejack on March 05, 2023, 09:46:41 am

I`ve been gifted an excellent ash stave from a friend (Will B) I`ve never tried ash before but laid out the profile as follows-66" ntn-13/4" wide at the fades-to 11/2" at midpoint to 1/2" tips. Do you fellows have any recommendations on this profile. Stave was cut in 2017-should be plenty well seasoned. How about fire hardening and adding reflex ??. Thanks in advance

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: Pat B on March 05, 2023, 11:59:40 am

Your dimensions sound good. Heat treating would improve the compression factor and adding reflex at the same time would be helpful. Don't try to add too much reflex. Maybe 3" or so should give you a finished bow with 1" of reflex or flat profile if you do your part.

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: Aksel on March 06, 2023, 04:35:35 am

Depends what draw weight and draw length you are aiming for. With 1 3/4 " at fades I wouldn´t shoot for much higher than #50-@ 28 to make sure to keep set low. But depends on your skills and if you mind taking the risk of messing up.

Think Badger mentions in TBB that Tim Baker calculates for a 65" straight bow with 2 inches wide limbs to safely be tillered to a draw weight corresponding to its specific gravity @ 28 inches drawlength. White ash is said to have .59 in tbb4 but of course that can vary... Reflex would put more strain on the design. Heat treating can help.

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: Mad Max on March 06, 2023, 09:32:28 am

68" NTN
2-1/2" wide at the fades, 5/16" at the nocks
Long slow heat treat
(https://i.imgur.com/hVab9Ii.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dw2Vo4U.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0n03lhf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pxXTbZ6.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/M0vSsoZ.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/VlWrKHZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JJOtPJT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QOevujY.jpg)

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: Pat B on March 06, 2023, 10:04:59 am

Very nice, Mark. I love the look of timber rattler skins on a bow and you made the string to match.  :OK

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: bluejack on March 06, 2023, 04:16:52 pm

Thanks for all the info on ash-you fellas are sure helpful-beautiful bow Max-how does it shoot?

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: Mad Max on March 06, 2023, 06:16:53 pm

It's a good shooter, Thanks guy's

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: bjrogg on March 06, 2023, 08:52:01 pm

Sweet bow Max

What kind of skins are those?

Bjrogg

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: Mad Max on March 06, 2023, 11:12:58 pm

East Tennessee Timber Rattler, he was 6' long and 15/16 rattles
(https://i.imgur.com/4A8ll6P.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FXAEUt9.jpg)

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: superdav95 on March 06, 2023, 11:34:18 pm

Love the skins.  Very well done.   Tiller looks great. 

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: Jim Davis on March 08, 2023, 11:17:49 am

bluejack, Mad Max is right on with his dimensions. I made a lot of ash bows when I lived in Maine (before the emerald ash borer helped create diversity!). I made pyramid design only and always with a 2-1/2" width at the fade. Even at that width most of my bows were in the mid 40s draw weight.

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: Mad Max on March 08, 2023, 08:47:27 pm

Quote from: Jim Davis on March 08, 2023, 11:17:49 am

bluejack, Mad Max is right on with his dimensions. I made a lot of ash bows when I lived in Maine (before the emerald ash borer helped create diversity!). I made pyramid design only and always with a 2-1/2" width at the fade. Even at that width most of my bows were in the mid 40s draw weight.

Mine was 44#@28" :OK

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: Kidder on March 09, 2023, 01:25:49 am

Beautiful bow and a tiller to emulate!

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: George Tsoukalas on March 09, 2023, 03:40:13 pm

bluejack, those dimensions sound good.
I've used lots of different bow woods. Ash is the only one that chrysalled on me... almost always. Once I just looked at an ash stave and it chrysalled on me. :)
Tiller well.
Nice bow Mad max.
Jawge

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: bradsmith2010 on March 09, 2023, 04:39:03 pm

wouldnt hurt to go little wider and side tiller if needed,,,

Title: Re: ash stave profile
Post by: Pat B on March 09, 2023, 10:41:06 pm

Same experience here too, George.