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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: maitus on December 07, 2020, 11:13:19 am
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So... holding in my hand my first osage stave I got from Hungary, my only thought was not to screw up :). The stave had a big crack along the length and I split the stave in two and I got a bow for my wife as well. I tried to make something special from this stave but I couldn't. That bow is a bit slow for this draw weight. Its 55@27. Length 57 inches ntn. Sinew backed. Sinew is covered with ostrich leg hide. Buffalo tips. Moose horn arrow rest and vegetable tanned cow hide handle. Slightly hollow limbs.
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Incredible bow! Slow?! Only if chronos in Estonia are in cm/s!
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I give up. I quit. I can never match that level of artistry. And when 190 is, "a bit slow" I'm out of the game completely!
That is phenomenal work. Absolutely amazing.
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Thank You! I am flattered by these good words :)... But it is a bit slow. Crono is made with 9.4 grain/pound arrow, not 10gr/Lb.
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Very nice even if it is a bit slow. ;)
Bjrogg
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I give up. I quit. I can never match that level of artistry. And when 190 is, "a bit slow" I'm out of the game completely!
That is phenomenal work. Absolutely amazing.
Don't quit, please.... here will be boring without you :)....
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Incredible bow! Slow?! Only if chronos in Estonia are in cm/s!
Units of measurement in my country are cm-s, but crono shows feets :).
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Stunning one of a kind bow! I guess I’ll have to start saving ostrich legs from all the ostriches running around eastern Washington 😅
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Good Goobity! That is ridiculous! Love the thinness of your limb tips! I have wanted to take the thinness down to that level on the three osage recurves I've built, but they have been so crooked/twisted etc that it took a serious amount of heat correction to get the string tracking center belly...and despite getting them to track center-belly or damn near it, I was still scared to lose the "protection" of the width. I think that is probably not a problem (string jumping off the side and unstringing at shot) that I should even be worried about, as they have all shot fine, but it has bothered me to the point of not getting my tips that skinny...yours are beautiful and undoubtably factor into your ability to get that kind of speed.
Your string grooves/nocks are magnificent! I would appreciate GREATLY if you would film yourself working those into shape and post it on youtube or take stills and post them here. Are you doing that with a chainsaw file? It seems like you have to have a "secret weapon" for that...its amazing. Great job on that build. That is something to shoot for fo sho!
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Just re-read your original post...if that ain't special, I really, really want to see one of your special bows! How much speed would be lost from your current weight arrow to 10GPI? That is still smoking fast. Love the hollow limb design too.
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Impressive!!! Arvin
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Nice bow, 190 is not bad at all.
Sinew is covered with ostrich leg hide.
Now I've seen everything; this group can never stop digging up more exotic materials. Maybe I should try out a lobster shell arrow pass. ;D
Nice work again,
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Question how far does it shoot that 9+ grain arrow and how long are the fletchings ??? Arvin
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Great bow.
Is the ostrich rawhide or tanned?
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Are you a subscriber to the magazine? If so, put this dude in Bow Of the Month!
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Are you a subscriber to the magazine? If so, put this dude in Bow Of the Month!
Unfortunately I'm not :(.
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Great bow.
Is the ostrich rawhide or tanned?
Thank You! Its rawhide sanded as thin as possible.
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Question how far does it shoot that 9+ grain arrow and how long are the fletchings ??? Arvin
I have done it. 215 meters. My very first bow (sinew backed juniper) shot 250meters. It makes me nervous :D...
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Just re-read your original post...if that ain't special, I really, really want to see one of your special bows! How much speed would be lost from your current weight arrow to 10GPI? That is still smoking fast. Love the hollow limb design too.
Thank You very much! These hollow limbs were not in my plans but because the stave had a very big crown I was forced to tiller that way :).
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Good Goobity! That is ridiculous! Love the thinness of your limb tips! I have wanted to take the thinness down to that level on the three osage recurves I've built, but they have been so crooked/twisted etc that it took a serious amount of heat correction to get the string tracking center belly...and despite getting them to track center-belly or damn near it, I was still scared to lose the "protection" of the width. I think that is probably not a problem (string jumping off the side and unstringing at shot) that I should even be worried about, as they have all shot fine, but it has bothered me to the point of not getting my tips that skinny...yours are beautiful and undoubtably factor into your ability to get that kind of speed.
Your string grooves/nocks are magnificent! I would appreciate GREATLY if you would film yourself working those into shape and post it on youtube or take stills and post them here. Are you doing that with a chainsaw file? It seems like you have to have a "secret weapon" for that...its amazing. Great job on that build. That is something to shoot for fo sho!
Thanks :)! Nothing special just chainsaw file :).
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Stunning one of a kind bow! I guess I’ll have to start saving ostrich legs from all the ostriches running around eastern Washington
:D :D :D :D ....don't do it as long as they are alive :D. And thank You!
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Just a Beautiful bow in aspects . :)very nice work.
Pappy
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Are you a subscriber to the magazine? If so, put this dude in Bow Of the Month!
Unfortunately I'm not :(.
You could change that with an option inexpensive digital subscription:
http://www.primitivearcher.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=002&Category_Code=EMAG
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Like I told you on Facebook, friend, this will do just fine!
Thank you for sharing!
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Very nice bow
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Are you a subscriber to the magazine? If so, put this dude in Bow Of the Month!
Unfortunately I'm not :(.
Well, we gadda fix that. If you like, I will get you a one year online subscription if you would like to submit your bow to the contest. Its so nice it really deserves to be featured.
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Subscribe dood! The magazine is well worth it...and that bow needs to join the contest.
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Amazing bow in all regards!
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I like slow bows. And that one is just, well, simply beautiful. Job well done for sure.
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very nice, I didnt think it looked slow, thank you so much for posting chrono speed and arrow weight,, great work,,
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Excellence in every respect! Jawge
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That's really nice. I can't help but wonder how fast it would be without the Ostrich legs. What are you using for string? How many strands?
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That's really nice. I can't help but wonder how fast it would be without the Ostrich legs. What are you using for string? How many strands?
Thank You! I don't think it would be faster without ostrich hide because the hide on outer limbs is very thin and almost weightless :). It seems to me that it could even give some extra f/sec. This hide is different from goat hide I use usually. It stretches very little even when its wet....seems to work like a sinew as well.
String material is dacron. I have no idea how many strands :D. That's and old string from another broken bow and so twisted to make it shorter that if to unstring the bow, the string will turn to a mess :). I will order a new string for this bow. I don't make bow strings jet.
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What a beautiful bow! And performance is amazing.
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Are you a subscriber to the magazine? If so, put this dude in Bow Of the Month!
Unfortunately I'm not :(.
Well, we gadda fix that. If you like, I will get you a one year online subscription if you would like to submit your bow to the contest. Its so nice it really deserves to be featured.
Thank You! This is an attractive proposal :)... How You can do it? I would not agree if You have to pay for me in cash.
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190 fps with a cast off string? I'd like to know what that can do with a good string. My 8-10 strand FF strings are very light.
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great bow in every aspect! congratulations! I especially like the look of the leg hide (-S
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190 fps with a cast off string? I'd like to know what that can do with a good string. My 8-10 strand FF strings are very light.
I'd like to find it out as well. Maybe its time to start make bowstrings by myself. Where could I buy FF material? Some link would be very helpful :).
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Mine came from Pine Hollow Longbows. It's the only place I could find it listed as FF (except maybe Amazon), though I'm sure the material is sold elsewhere (like Lancaster Archery) under different brand names. It has sooo much less stretch than Dacron, and is much lighter per strength. I haven't tested, but I read in TBB 2 that FF is ~55# strength per strand, and B-50 is ~30# strength per strand, and that's what I go by.
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Unfortunately Amazon doesn't ship to my country and so most of US firms :(.
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Whoops, I forgot. I'm afraid I can't help then. Sorry
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Whoops, I forgot. I'm afraid I can't help then. Sorry
It's ok. Not Your fault :D...
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Fastflight is basically dyneema thread. Dyneema thread is also made into braided fishing line, which I'm sure will be available to you. Not nylon monofilament but braided dyneema. Get some in something like 60lb breaking strain and treat it like proper bowstring fiber.
190fps with an overly twisted dacron string....a good string should see upto a 10% increase in that speed.
Very nice bow by the way :)
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Spectea is what they make power pro fishing like from and I use 8 strands of 50 pound test for a 50 pound bow.
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Got fastflight string today and immediately made a new speed test. Got 8.2 extra feet/sec :). Thank You for suggesting. Never use any other string material in future anymore :D....
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That is just insane.
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You win most modest self assessment of the year award. Wow!
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All of the above plus 1! That is a very nice bow! No, that is a great bow! :BB :BB :OK :OK!
Hawkdancer
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That is just insane.
Thanks :)! But it's regular for DC :D.
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Thank You all :)!
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Is it possible that hollow limb can make a bow faster, or it just because of osage tree?
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Sinew backed Osage always seem to be my fastest shooting bows. Nothing like yours, but you would have had to build that bow to perfection to get that speed. That speed exceeds any glass bow that I have seen the FPS stats including the super recurves. Unheard of on average, and you did it with your first Osage stave, and some sinew. You are in a group with the best of the best as a bow maker. Good on you.
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I was going to post 2 sinew backed Osage bows, one sinew backed American Hornbeam bow,and a sinew backed Elm bow on here ,but after seeing this bow, and it's performance I digress. How do you follow that act? Over all probably as good as it gets.
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Did you make the string yourself or did you buy it? How many strands are there? Is it flemish twist or continuous loop. How many grains is it?
Post a chrono reading like that and you deserve an interrogation ;D
Glad to know the material helps so much.
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You are in a group with the best of the best as a bow maker. Good on you.
This is the best compliment I have heard in this year :)! Thank You. I'm not sure that I deserve such status. Just one successful bow.
Show Your bows, I'm very interested how different types of wood work with sinew... please :)? Especially elm.
All my sinew backed elm bows have had a big string fallow. How and when do You heat treat them?
tradcraftsman,there is 10 strands and flemish twist. Don't know the weight.
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You are in a group with the best of the best as a bow maker. Good on you.
This is the best compliment I have heard in this year :)! Thank You. I'm not sure that I deserve such status. Just one successful bow.
Show Your bows, I'm very interested how different types of wood work with sinew... please :)? Especially elm.
All my sinew backed elm bows have had a big string fallow. How and when do You heat treat them?
tradcraftsman, I ordered this FF string form Falco Archery. There is 10 strands and flemish twist. Don't know the weight.
It certainly is something you are deserving of! No one accidentally makes speeds that fast. They know what they are doing and are damn good at it. Both apply to you here. And to emphasize your accomplishments, I hold my own self in some regard when it comes to making bows, and I dont think I can match that. Id even consider making an offer on that bow, and I never do that.
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Pics for Matius
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Subscribe dood! The magazine is well worth it...and that bow needs to join the contest.
I did it... like You and sleek insisted :D....
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Maitus I have pics on screen to the right,but can't get them posted on your thread. Sorry. That is why I have pic up above.
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Why You can't?
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First 6 pics are the Elm bow. Bottom pic left to right. 2 sinew backed American Horn Beam, sinew backed Elm in the middle, and the 2 on the right are sinew backed Osage. All in the 38 to 44lb range at 25.5 inches of draw. 8 strand ff strings, and Buffalo horn tip over lays. Had trouble posting pics. Sorry.
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Beautiful bows, Bassman! This is exactly the draw weight I like to shoot. This one I posted here is too heavy for me to do target shooting. I'll be tired after let say 50 arrows. I also like to sinew back my bow because it makes them safe. But seems to me, that sinew won't give real benefit with light weight bows by the same reason as by horn bows. How would You comment that?
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You did real good. Sweet bow in all aspects.
Bjrogg
PS I love fast flight. Haven’t used b-55 since my first d-97 string. Sure makes first brace a lot easier
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maitus the weight of the sinew may not help with speed, but the bows above hav free of charge. wood flaws, and when I am in doubt I sinew back. Most of the bows in the pics will shoot 15 to 20 over or 100fps + poundage. .Your bow shot 45fps over, or better than 2 times my number which is amazing. Thanks Brian. I managed some reflex, but I had to make some repairs on the wood. Not great Elm, but good enough to get a bow out of it, and the price was right. I got it from my son's land. Saplings. To old to go out, and cut giant trees any more. Bob>>>
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great work on your bow,, congrats,, :)
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Thank You :)!
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Its a sweetie. What the bolt holding arrow rest on?
HH~
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If you post this in the BOM contest I bet it would win.
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https://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,69450.0/topicseen.html
Check this link
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Its a sweetie. What the bolt holding arrow rest on?
HH~
There are two small screws under these "eyes". So I can take it off for HB class contest rules if I need to :).
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https://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,69450.0/topicseen.html
Check this link
Already done two weeks ago. Thank You for your attention :)!
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If you post this in the BOM contest I bet it would win.
Thank You! After reading these comments here I even have little hope :). You can help to fulfill it :D....
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I was thinking it was a removable arrow shelf.
Shawn~
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Beautiful. I like the way the handle leather becomes the strike plate as well.
BTW, are those beehives in one pic?
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are those beehives in one pic?
Thank You:)! Sorry but I don't understand Your question :)?
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maitus I posted the Elm bow for you to look at ,and maybe try the next one this way if you are getting excessive set with Elm. This bow is 60 inches long 44lbs at 25.5 inches draw, and has 1.5 inches of reflex. I get the bow down to past floor tiller,and put it on a form. Then straighten with heat, and clamp as you go.Then I give it a deep belly heat treat before it comes off the form. Then tiller with a gizmo to 20 inches on tiller tree. If it is holding it's reflex I tiller an inch at a time to my draw length, and target weight. If at any time it is not holding it's reflex I heat treat the belly again. I may heat treat the belly 2 to 3 times in the process. Elm takes good to heat. Then sinew ,and hang the bow to dry with a 15 to 20lbs of weight on the middle of the riser, and let the sinew dry a couple of months if you want to sinew the bow. Elm will make a good self bow also. You do excellent work. This may help a little with your next Elm build. good luck.
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are those beehives in one pic?
Thank You:)! Sorry but I don't understand Your question :)?
Thread drift and off topic but in pic of you drawing bow i noted white box thing in background and - as a beekeeper - whether it might be beehives.
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He ask to see a sinew Elm bow. Seems he was having problems with set with Elm wood that is all. Meant no harm. Will post no more pics on OP threads. Probably taken the wrong way by most. Sorry. My work does not compare in any way to his. No bees in the computer room. Those are archery accessories.
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are those beehives in one pic?
Thank You:)! Sorry but I don't understand Your question :)?
Thread drift and off topic but in pic of you drawing bow i noted white box thing in background and - as a beekeeper - whether it might be beehives.
Aa, ok, now I understand :D. This is not beehive, this is a stove for smoking fish :).
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maitus I posted the Elm bow for you to look at ,and maybe try the next one this way if you are getting excessive set with Elm.
Thank You for this advise! I will try that way. I Usually lay sinew before heat treating and that may be the reason of string fallow. I can't heat treat the bow with sinew on. I have made very good elm self bows and I also heat teat them several times. Also in form. Next time I will finish the bow before laying the sinew and will give to bow more reflex already before laying the sinew. I have several elm staves waiting for becoming a bow :). This orange bow here is first bow I have heat treated before sinewing :).
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He ask to see a sinew Elm bow. Seems he was having problems with set with Elm wood that is all. Meant no harm. Will post no more pics on OP threads. Probably taken the wrong way by most. Sorry. My work does not compare in any way to his. No bees in the computer room. Those are archery accessories.
Its ok, bassman. monoloco ment with this "of topic" his own post about beehive :D. I'm happy You posted Your bows here :).
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Thank you ,and good luck with your next sinew backed Elm.
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I have one theory in terms of the speed of my bow. I think that there is a lot to do with the hollow limb design. If to bend hollow limb the bending force forces the limb flatten and the edges of the limbs will rise. As I put more sinew on the edges like they to on horn bows the sinew doesn't let the edges rise and there will more stretching tension for sinew and in result more speed as well. Also the hollow limb wants to jump straight by itself like steel measuring tape and it gives some extra tension. The third reason could be the wider surface area of the belly and thinner and lighter limb moves faster and also prevents the string fallow. What You guys think about it :)?
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That sounds similar to explanations given in the PA article that introduced HLD. I wish I could remember the volume/issue.
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That sounds similar to explanations given in the PA article that introduced HLD. I wish I could remember the volume/issue.
Would be very interesting to read.
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That sounds similar to explanations given in the PA article that introduced HLD. I wish I could remember the volume/issue.
don't know the volume, but I think its the same article that you can find in Simson website
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I just found it. It is volume 24 issue 5. It is probably one of the most valuable articles published in the magazine.
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I just found it. It is volume 24 issue 5. It is probably one of the most valuable articles published in the magazine.
Could You copy it and send it to my mailbox?
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My copy is on paper, not an e-version. I would suggest buying the back issue, as there are other good articles in there as well including the usual hunting stories and a very informative one from Mr. Berger on how to write articles. I wish he was still writing for PA, he was one of the best and most enjoyable to read.
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My copy is on paper, not an e-version. I would suggest buying the back issue, as there are other good articles in there as well including the usual hunting stories and a very informative one from Mr. Berger on how to write articles. I wish he was still writing for PA, he was one of the best and most enjoyable to read.
Sorry, then I have to accept the situation :). Can You tell in a few words what is written there?