Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: david w. on May 02, 2008, 11:58:56 pm
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i went to get my selfbow weighed at the archeryt shop. When i asked the man to wiegh it he wouldnt pull it to a full 28" he stop at 23". He said he didnt want to pull it anymore. it seems like alot of archery shops are anti selfbow. maybe its becasue they moslty deal in compound bows.
i was suprized though that my bow pulls 50# @ 23" what do you think it would project to at 28"?
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I would guess 3 lb per inch......so 5" x 3# = 15# + 50# = 65# @ 28" if there is no stack.
And I don't think that the shop is against self bows....only against breaking them accidentally (and the fear of owing you $ for being careless). :-[
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ya alot of owners alot of them are afraid of them breaking. i dont really think they are against them
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Yep ! You don't want to pull your self bow past your draw length,thats asking for trouble. Frank
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Bow scales are a necessary tool if you build bows. Buy your own and you will always know exactly where you are at during the bow making process.
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3 Rivers has the Hanson Hand Held. You can attach it to the string as you draw. You can also attach it to the rope of your rope and pulley. The other thing is be absolutely sure your shooting draw is 28 inches. Often our pose draws are different from our shooting draws. You can have someone watch you draw and shoot. Jawge
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3 Rivers has the Hanson Hand Held. You can attach it to the string as you draw. You can also attach it to the rope of your rope and pulley. The other thing is be absolutely sure your shooting draw is 28 inches. Often our pose draws are different from our shooting draws. You can have someone watch you draw and shoot. Jawge
thanks this helps alot. i will definately check my draw i built this bow to be shot out to 28" so it was perfectly safe to pull but the owner wouldnt do it
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hillbilly told me a way, take your tillering tree put the string on the 28" mark and leave the bow free, put it all on a scale and push the riser down to the scale and the weight will register like that, ive done it and it works fine... need to be explained better?
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I like the Hanson Hand held because the weight registers and stays on the scale so you can read it after relaxing the bow. Jawge
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I've seen shops that won't even let you test a selfbow on their range, or even string it up on their property. Many people still think wooden bows will explode at any second, or aren't really bows at all.
Guess thousands of generations that came before, all living off the wooden bow didn't count ????
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I had a bow on consignment at a local archery shop a while ago, just to see if it would sell. It didn't. When I asked the "archery pro" shop guy why he thought the bow didn't sell, he said most people thought it looked cool, but were afraid to draw it, thinking it would snap. To this I replied "Do you want me to shoot the bow right now to prove it's safe?" He said that that wasn't necessary since he had shot the bow several different times himself, although when I asked him for some feedback on how it shot, he said he really couldn't give me any. He shot mostly compounds and had no frame of reference to critique a traditional selfbow. He also said "You know how people are nowadays, if it isn't made in a factory, they just don't think it's safe." And on that note, I took my bow back, and gave it to someone who would appreciate it. I don't think that people are intentionally prejiduced towards selbows, but thanks to the advertising campaigns of big archery companies, people who don't know any better are led to believe that they are "unsafe", "unreliable", or "substandard".
Dale
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Gotta have thick skin when it comes to self bows. My archery shop back in Illinois was owned by a guy that just loved old traditional bows, Hoyts, Bears and the like, so I thought, I'm going to make him a bow. I made him a snaky osage bow that I was proud of. When I handed it to him he said, "is it supposed to look like that" I was hurt. On top of that he didn't want to shoot it either. To say the least I was done with that shop.
I got pretty tired of hearing "do ya hunt with that?" or I'd take a doe with that. God bless our craft and sport.
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thats really too bad Dano i think some people are biased against selfbows
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I have gotten nothing but respect from My Flatbows....but then most of mine are Native Bows....not Twisty Snaky Awesome looking Works of Art.....the Only Problems that I ever get is the Monkey that thinks He needs to Anchor out behind His ears with a 48 inch Pony Bow!!!!!!!!!!! ::)
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I have gotten nothing but respect from My Flatbows....but then most of mine are Native Bows....not Twisty Snaky Awesome looking Works of Art.....the Only Problems that I ever get is the Monkey that thinks He needs to Anchor our behind His ears with a 48 inch Pony Bow!!!!!!!!!!! ::)
ditto except i havent made a true Native Bow yet but i plan to soon
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at the hunting shop in Victoria, I am friendly with the archery rep. In the past, she weighed my selfbows and we shot them in their little range. But not until I showed up with a gorgeous laminated bow did they ask me if i wanted to become a wholesaler. It's not the store's prejudice, it's their knowledge of what sells. Remember, they are a business.
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With some It is prejudice, with some it is just lack of knowledge, and with others it is too much knowledge - of the wrong kind, IMO. Dano's shop owner had no idea how lucky he was - almost. I was shooting the sweetest ACS (fg lam) in the world when Dano walked up to me at ATAR and handed me the Character Osage bow he built for me ("Sneaky Snake"). I shot it immediatly and fell in love with it as quickly. Two years later all I am shooting is wood bows, and I hunted with ol' "Sneaky Snake" all of last season (that was all I hunted with), and now I have a wood lam bow under my belt, and I've just made "It"(my own self bow, character osage). That "Pro" at Dano's shop just doesn't know what possibilities he missed out on. The guy I used to work part-time for in our local pro shop loved self bows (all wood bows - though he knew his major money came from wheels) and still wishes he could make one himself. I think he will someday. Different strokes for different folks, huh? - ;D
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I guess I'm a little more understanding of the shop owners.
One local shop here carries some trad gear and bows on consignment. The manager shoots 3D and hunts with a compound and a recurve so he is very open-minded about all archery gear.
They had a new osage selfbow for sale by a guy who makes glass bows and bbo's that they carry. They knew I shot wood bows so they asked me to give it a try and see what I thought.
Drawing the third arrow the bow absolutely exploded in tremendous fashion at the fade of the upper limb.
Somehow I got a smashed thumbnail on my bow hand but not a big deal.
While the shop people were concerned that I was the lawsuit type I assured them I understand wood bows (but I ain't paying for it!)
They were just relieved that if the bow had to break it did it with an understanding wood bow builder and they don't carry selfbows now.
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lost arra,
was that bow backed? the one that exploded?
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No backing. Just an osage selfbow with somewhat wide limbs.
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hm...wonder if it would've held if it were backed.
Did you scope it out? Was there some kind of weak spot that you could see? I mean, other than pieces everywhere!
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We build and shoot primitive archery tackle and are suprised that a local archery pro shop (especially ones that sell mostly compounds) doesnt understand????