Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Selfbowman on September 06, 2020, 04:41:32 pm
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Wendover results of importance to primitive. Sleek broke Perry’s 340yd record shooting 350 and change. CONGRATULATIONS Kevin!!!!!!!’n. Then some old man broke my 70# selfbow record with a 52# bow . CONGRATULATIONS to Steve!!!!!! I built a complex composite bow that broke the previous 316yds Making the new record 366yds I think. Shot by James Martin. Jessica Corbett broke several records and established some more. It was a great shoot for sure. Please correct me if I missed someone or measurements are wrong. I broke no records but was 2 yds short of my 50# selfbow record. Arvin
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Nice work Arvin, to you and all the others that have been pushing the envelope for bow performance.
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I can’t wrap my head around those distances. Wow! Thanks for letting us know Arvin, and congrats to everyone
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DC ‘s. Bow did well I can’t remember. The distances . Maybe Steve can chime in on that . Just wore out , and sunburn right now. Arvin
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Thanks Arvin, now I'm really antsy ;D ;D
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Chuck did well also. He metaled and broke his previous record also . Chuck give us the counts . I guess I should write this all down if I’m going to tell about it. O:) Arvin
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Congrats on the new records, way to go. Those are some outstanding distances.
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Outstanding! Congratulations to all the new record holders!
Hawkdancer
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awesome Arvin! congrats to all... but without pictures.... (-P
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Sounds fun Arvin.
That bow you gifted me in July, I took to TAS in Indiana. I did not have any good arrows for it but Gil M. gave me one arrow and i shot that Championship Sunday. Shot whole day with one arrow. It took Silver. The arrow i shot was travelling faster than this fella's 60# bow. Those guys were amazed how fast a 40 some pound bow was shooting. Shot broadheads well too.
Hedge
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Thanks Arvin. If you hadn't given me that arrow made by Ivar I wouldn't have put anything close to respectable distance. Add the coaching from you and Steve, and really, its hardly any accomplishment I can singularly be proud of. I thank you both.
Of course, I have big bow plans for next year, and arrows as well, so im not trying to buy yours lol! I was NOT prepared this year at all, and really should have waited another year or two even. This event takes MUCH preparation. You guys really picked up my slack. Thanks again!
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Congratulations fellas, great distances and sounds like you all had a good time :)
I'd put 75% of my effort into the arrows :)
For anybody who hasn't yet, try those 6 piece sectional cane shafts that Alan Case showed years ago on paleoplanet. I've found them to be phenomenal. Next year I will send some stuff over if I can't make it. Right now i have an 80# Turkish flight bow that is next to perfect. Incredible string tension at brace and it almost lets off around 24 inches. Even pulled to 29" it shows little set. It goes over 500yds no problem with less than perfect arrows.
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great results! congrats everybody for pushing limits again! (-S
are there official results somwhere on the www? even more I'd love to see pictures of the successful bows!?
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great results! congrats everybody for pushing limits again! (-S
are there official results somwhere on the www? even more I'd love to see pictures of the successful bows!?
+1
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These were uploaded in fb. I guess i can share here.
And yes, of course congratulations to the new record holders!
Mike: do you use siper with your turkish bows? I find it interesting Ivar has semi-abandoned the tonkin arrows, because at some point he used them. Its a lot of work and i guess with siper and all, it has been more about getting good, steady release. If pine can give you 180gn arrows for a 100# hornbow, then a tonkin should do 150gn? or less?
My own arrows for turkish flight bows are 180 grains, 24,5" with 0,25mm thick vellum fletching, 6,2-6,4mm thick. They fly well out of 60-90 draw bows. Is there still something to gain with tonkin?
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DC's bow did very well considering it was only 42". I was saving it for broadhead in the 50# class. It shot 222 yards in the broadhead with an oversized 10 strand linen string. Jordan Case shot DC bow in the 35# womens class at 23" draw and managed to break the old record by about 35 yards. The same design bow at 50# will be a force to reckon with.
Sleek did a great job of practicing until he found an arrow to go with his very well built 54" flight bow. He got off a great shot at 350 yards. I was very impressed with some of Arvins heavier bows. They are continuing to break records and pushing the records out where they should be. Chuck Loffler also did very well but I don't know the exact distances he got, I know he did get at least 1 or more records.
I wasn't planning on going back but once again I enjoyed the good company so much I doubt I will be able to stay away.
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DC's bow did very well considering it was only 42#. I was saving it for broadhead in the 50# class. It shot 222 yards in the broadhead with an oversized 10 strand linen string. Jordan Case shot DC bow in the 35# womens class at 23" draw and managed to break the old record by about 35 yards. The same design bow at 50# will be a force to reckon with.
That's very cool. I'm excited about that. I liked that Jordan shot it. The Case name comes together. A 50# is in the works. Thanks a lot for all the effort you put into this for me Steve, I really appreciate it. Hope you decide to stick with it for a few more years.
Don Case
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That’s a beauty and it also preformed great. DC I studied that bow pretty close but I seriously doubt I could get close much less best the workmanship . I wanted to shoot that bow but Chuck’s been after me pretty hard. With success by the way. Oh well that’s what makes this game interesting and fun.
Arvin
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Thanks Arvin. I'm not that talented I just make a lot of jigs :D
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congratulations guys,, very exciting to hear the results,, some pics would be great,,
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/1639633016290415/
Scroll down a bit.
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Outstanding performances! Congratulations!
Dump question: what are the specs of a modern American longbow to be allowed in Competition, or where could I find them? Like all wood or not, powerlams allowed or simple selfbow, tips overlays or not, string material, recurved/straight tips so on.
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Awesome! Congratulations to all! Jawge
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I posted this on Facebook and wanted to put it here as well.
Folks, I appreciate the heart felt congratulatory remarks. Thank you very much! The record was previously 340 yards and my shot took it to 350 yards. I cant claim it as a singular accomplishment however and owe many people thanks as I progressed through my bow making experience.
Ironically, I hadn't been specifically eyeing this record to compete against, but rather the broad head shoot and have been designing, building, and progressively modifying this design towards that endeavor. I asked Steve Gardner what speeds he thought I needed to achieve to be competitive and aimed for the 180s fps he mentioned. When I hit 180 fps with my 54 inch long bow at 26 inch draw at the required 50 pounds I knew I had done it. All that was left was a good heat treat and I would be in business. With having worked day and night for 2 weeks on end, building prototype after prototype, to ensure i didnt mess up my best piece of wood to build the real bow, i had a week left and none too soon. I was exhausted. So much so in fact, that during my final heat treat I fell asleep with the heat gun in my hand and destroyed my perfect bow.
I was quite cross at the limitations my own body imposed upon my ability to function. Id like to stand here and tell you I took it like a man, grabbed another piece of wood and got to work. But hey, I'm not that tough. I stomped my feet on the floor and contemplated quiting. I looked out at the pre dawn grey skies from the loft in my barn and thought I want to go to sleep. Then I considered the weeks of prep I have put into this. How awesome it would be to be able to say, "I went and was competitive" plus, the airline tickets were non refundable. So, only one thing to do.
I picked out my best piece of wood, and sawed off the sapwood with the bandsaw, then chased a ring. I had 4 days left and all the knowledge on design and tiller fresh in my mind. I I finished it and shot 184 fps with one day left to pack. Success! Id like to thank my wife right here for keeping me fed and forcing me to take a nap during those 3 days of work. I dont think I could have been successful without her constant nagging, I mean, reminding me to eat and forcing me to take a nap. I love you babe!
Stephen was nice enough to host me while I was there and with his coaching I was able to practice shooting before the event. I shot until my fingers blistered so bad I couldn't make strings anymore. Thats important because the linen strings broke easily with these light weight arrows. Fortunately for me, Stephen is a patient host and made my strings as I broke them in search of good arrow flight. It wasn't until Arvin was given an arrow made by Ivar Malde that he gave me did I find an arrow that flew well. And boy howdy, that arrow was perfect! That is, until I shot it so much in practice ( against aound advice ) that I wore out the paper fletching. Now I had to strip the fletch off, use these little things as templates ( they were only about an inch long and 3/4 tall ) and cut some more from calf hide Arvin gave me. Calf hide by the way is amazing for this purpose. However, in the desert, super glue doesn't hold well when freshly applied. The air is so dry, it doesn't have the required moisture content to cook off the ca glue properly.
I got the arrow refletched and was ready to stand up to test it for clean flight when they opened up the line for the event. Great, now I cant do a practice shot, I have one arrow that I just had to basically rebuild with no jig, no clue how it flies, and I only get one shot at it this round. Oh well, time to get the bow weighed in and register my arrow. As I hand in my paperwork a few people noted my single arrow followed with, "Good luck, it only takes one arrow to break the record." I smiled and thanked them of course, with no hope of breaking any record, I just hoped I could put the arrow in the field with the rest of them. I stepped up to the line, remembering the advice to keep as close to it as you can without touching, or you sacrifice distance. I pulled the string back, feeling the blisters on my finger complain greatly, ( im a wus ) concentration on the tip of that arrow as I drew it to the max my rest would allow. Any mistake now would send the arrow through my wrist and I didn't want to break that arrow, its my only one you know... I cant say I recall the release. It was subconscious, and probably motivated by the synaptic firings of the pain receptors in my brain.
As suddenly as the string was released it broke and a single fletch floated to my feet. I checked the ground for my arrow, but itwas not to be found. Nobody knew where it went. I had to wait an hour until all shooting was complete. After much stress and dispare, I found my damaged arrow, somewhat defeathered, in a straight line from the firing line, sticking at about a 40° angle into the crusty salt desert floor. A perfect shot! I stood very impatiently by until the officials measured my shot. 350 yards, the record was 340! I couldn't believe it. As I walked back I had to laugh out loud from my own disbelief and excitement and I thanked God for allowing me to perform to the best of my ability. I received quite the welcoming when I got back to camp, word had spreading quickly.
I'm very honored to have been able to make that shot, and thank those who helped me. Its really an honor to be in the record books where the well known and respected Dan Perry has stood.
As for the broadhead shoot I designed the bow for, it did well in as well. one shot went 233 yards in practice, almost 190 in contest, giving me a solid 3rd place, behind the record being held by Mr. Arvin at the moment, at 239 yards. Next year, id like to see if that can be bested and I think this same design can do it.
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Great story Sleek :D
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Sleek, good to see you this year and well written post. DC, Your bow is a beauty!
I didn't go to Wendover this year making any claims. I planned on having a catch of new flight bows and arrows this year but ended up being a full time home school teacher and child care provider for my kids after something came up earlier this year. I ended up with some good shots, but that was just icing on the cake. I go out there because the company. A bunch of fellow archery nerds that know everything about all designs and materials. Great conversations and comparisons.
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Enjoyed your story Sleek. Congrats to all the bowyers & shooters. Sounds like a great event.
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Thanks Chuck, I'm really pumped about the record and all the great comments it got. I wasn't expecting that.
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Great story Kevin. I don’t know how you remembered all that but that’s the way it went. Glad have witnessed you breaking Perry’s record. That was a tough one to break. The story hopefully sparked some interest in others on here and it will bring more folks to Bonneville where you never know what happens. Arvin
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Can you post a couple of pictures of your bow, Sleek?
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Here's a few action shots. I will post a few profile shots later on.
The second picture you can see I had just released the string The last if you look close shows the arrow paradox around the handle. The blue tape is a draw stop to prevent me from overdrawing the broadhead, the broadhead hits it at full draw.
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And a few dramatic shots at full draw....
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If i could post a video, id post several of them.
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Great story Kevin. I don’t know how you remembered all that but that’s the way it went. Glad have witnessed you breaking Perry’s record. That was a tough one to break. The story hopefully sparked some interest in others on here and it will bring more folks to Bonneville where you never know what happens. Arvin
Thanks Arvin. Hopefully I never forget this. I agree I really hope more folks will come out and participate. Its fun when you have folks challenging you. By the way buddy, I got an eye on that 239 record you hold.... and a solid year to make arrows >:D
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Great shots(pictures and shots ;)), I'll be waiting for an unbraced one.
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And a few dramatic shots at full draw....
That’s a good flight pic with the sun ☀️ n background.
Arvin
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I got plenty of you too bud, thinking about posting a pic thread for the event.
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I didn’t break the camera?
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I didn’t break the camera?
No, but you sure gave those strings a hard time!
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Its insane what happens when a string breaks. Of course, on this shot, the arrow nock broke on release, so ALL the energy went into your limbs.
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you guys are my heroes... great job and great pictures... :OK
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Thanks Arvin. Hopefully I never forget this. I agree I really hope more folks will come out and participate. Its fun when you have folks challenging you. By the way buddy, I got an eye on that 239 record you hold.... and a solid year to make arrows >:D
Kevin,
I did hear from Dan Perry, and here is a direct quote for you:
“Give my congratulations to Kevin Hawkins. Nice distance with a 50# self bow.”
Alan
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Thanks Arvin. Hopefully I never forget this. I agree I really hope more folks will come out and participate. Its fun when you have folks challenging you. By the way buddy, I got an eye on that 239 record you hold.... and a solid year to make arrows >:D
Kevin,
I did hear from Dan Perry, and here is a direct quote for you:
“Give my congratulations to Kevin Hawkins. Nice distance with a 50# self bow.”
Alan
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Wow. I never expected that! Thank you so much for relaying that to me! That really put a cap on the entire event for me, and a great end on a day that went very well for me today as well.
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Congratulations Sleek! Sure sounds like a great time with lots of friendly competition. Love the way people are so willing to share knowledge.
Bjrogg
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Those are some nice pictures
Congrats to everyone
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Nice job, Sleek! I remember your bow making marathon at MOJAM 2 years ago! Congratulations on the record! Hope to see you all at MoJam next summer!
Hawkdancer
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I was looking over the results again and noticed that there is a Primitive Complex Composite 50# in both Men's and Men's Junior. So are they shooting the same bows and arrows? Why are the distances so different? If a Junior is man enough to pull a 50# bow shouldn't he get close to the same distance?
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Probably not. If the juniors are making there own bows. A junior shot one of my simple composite bows with his arrows . Don’t know the distance. I’ll check the results. Arvin
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Breylen shot 222 yds with the same bow I shot in practice. I shot the same distance. I think juniors get left overs too often. The women got the same raw deals for the most part till last year. Glad to see the ladies changing that. Arvin
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Well done to everybody in the htread who took part :) Lots of records and good times by the sounds of it.
Sleek congrats on the 350yd shot :) What drawlength were you using? Do you know the weight of the arrow?
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Well done to everybody in the htread who took part :) Lots of records and good times by the sounds of it.
Sleek congrats on the 350yd shot :) What drawlength were you using? Do you know the weight of the arrow?
Thanks! I was drawing 25 inches, the arrow is 24 inches and around 160 grains i believe?