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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: swink on April 28, 2008, 06:49:21 pm

Title: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: swink on April 28, 2008, 06:49:21 pm
 can you back a bow with sinew using titebond 3. If so how well do's it work. Or would you just stick to hide glue.
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: PatM on April 28, 2008, 06:56:40 pm
Sinew and titebond make a backing that is about on par with rawhide. You need hide glue to allow the sinew to stretch and return. The shrinking of hide glue and sinew will also reflex the bow. That doesn't happen with titebond.
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: tom sawyer on April 28, 2008, 07:21:34 pm
Stick to hide glue.  You can get it at most any grocery store, in the form of unflavored gelatin packets.
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: Justin Snyder on April 28, 2008, 11:16:54 pm
Sinew and titebond make a backing that is about on par with rawhide. You need hide glue to allow the sinew to stretch and return. The shrinking of hide glue and sinew will also reflex the bow. That doesn't happen with titebond.
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Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: Coo-wah-chobee on April 29, 2008, 12:46:46 am
As said above.....bob
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: adb on April 29, 2008, 12:48:23 am
TB does not work with sinew!! I learned this the hard way.
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: NOMADIC PIRATE on April 29, 2008, 04:10:08 am
Hang on a second,  Ed Scott makes really nice bows using TB III and sinew, Mark Backer reported having really good results with the same combination.

...Maybe it's just a different way to prepare the stave and process ;)
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: PatM on April 29, 2008, 08:52:26 am
Are you sure it's not just with the liquid hide glue that Titebond offers?
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: TRACY on April 29, 2008, 09:36:36 am
I just finished wrapping with TB Hide glue and sinew and applied snake skin. The only difference I found was the aroma of warm hide glue missing.I'm satisfied with the results I still prefer to use traditional hide glue and sinew to back with but wouldn't hesitate to use the bottled hide glue for smaller projects with time constraints.

Tracy
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: kra on April 29, 2008, 10:09:31 am
I recommend pure hide glue. The fastest glue as it sticks when colling down.

Than wrap the sinew layer with some rubber tape (best I found till now was rim tape), apply some mild stretch, reheat the whole thing and let the excess glue to melt out. After cooling down, unwrap and smooth the surface. Gives a backing with less glue in it. I rarely had some crackling noise when stringing and pulling this this bows for the first time.

Sinew and hide glue - thats like ham and eggs, like man and wife, like..., just a incredible pairing!
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: Hillbilly on April 29, 2008, 12:07:22 pm
Art Butner has made some bows using TB3 wood glue to apply sinew, and says it works well. I think Pat may have tried it, too. This discussion has happened before and developed into a bit of a bruhaha.  :)
I like the ol' hide glue myself. Seems like with the sinew and hide glue having the same basic composition that it would make a more homogonous backing, but then, I've never tried sinewing with TB.
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: Slivershooter on April 29, 2008, 12:56:05 pm
I have used both TBIII and hide glue for sinew with excellent results, and haven’t been able to tell much, if any difference in performance when using either one.  However, the TBIII is a lot easier and faster to use so I now use it most of the time. 
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: Hillbilly on April 29, 2008, 01:06:39 pm
Slivershooter, did you get the same reflex effect with the TB as the hide glue? I need to 'speriment some with it.
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: NOMADIC PIRATE on April 29, 2008, 03:27:19 pm
..Hey Walt, I like your signature !!!! ;) ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: adb on April 29, 2008, 04:46:37 pm
TB3 and sinew did not work for me. Maybe it was too dirty, or wet, or something. It kept peeling off. I've had much better success with TB hide glue or Knox's gelatin (which is also just hide glue).
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: Slivershooter on April 29, 2008, 05:24:44 pm
Hillbilly, I do not think the TBIII induces as much reflex as hide glue does so I make sure all of the desired reflex is already in the bow before applying the sinew.  I use my boiler room for a hot box (stays about 90-100 in there and I can fit a dozen bows in it) and place each of the tips on a five gallon bucket of while hanging a one gallon can of paint on the handle.  With a floor tillered bow I get about 3-4 inches of additional reflex with hide glue and 1-2 inches with TBIII. 

Abd, I clean the back of the bow with rubbing alcohol and put a thin coat of seizing glue before applying the sinew (soaked with TBIII) and haven’t had any problems with bonding.  This is the same procedure I use when using hide glue.
Title: Re: titebond 3 with sinew
Post by: swink on April 29, 2008, 07:08:28 pm
Thanks every one for the info. I have done a few with Knox gelatin but not with titebond.