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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: apg on July 03, 2020, 07:18:06 pm

Title: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: apg on July 03, 2020, 07:18:06 pm
Hi all,
I’m building an osage bow, and have gotten the tiller pretty close to good. It’s drawing nicely, and it’s 55# @ 30” draw. It’s 65” nock to nock. It’s going to be a new hunting bow for deer when the season begins.
I’m used to flipping the tips - I always do that in my bows but I’m wondering if there are benefits to NOT flipping - my sense is the bows are usually snappier with an extra 5# of weight or so.
Anyone interested in convincing me against flipping?
Ash
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: Pat B on July 03, 2020, 09:04:31 pm
Straight limbs are less stressed than R/D or recurves so probably a bit more durable but that doesn't mean it's not up to par.  Straight limb bows are my favorite style and there are lots of versions of straight limb bows. But, the last few bows I'll built have had flipped tips or recurves.
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: bradsmith2010 on July 03, 2020, 10:00:08 pm
if it shoots good and hits where you looking call it done and kill a deer,, if you decide at a later time you want to change it you can,, your options always open,, the deer not gonna know the difference,, I killed quite a few deer with straight tip bow,,
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: bownarra on July 04, 2020, 03:39:41 am
Wood doesn't know what design of bow it is in :)
A given piece of wood can only take so much strain. Set etc tells you when you are straining the wood.
If you use the appropriate tiller, keep set low and located in the correct places then you will have a great bow regardless of the design.
A straight limbed bow, flipped tip or full on recurve won't differ much in performance. Build want you like :)
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: George Tsoukalas on July 04, 2020, 07:45:17 am
If it ain't broke don't fix it. Jawge
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: scp on July 04, 2020, 09:10:26 am
As usual all depends on what we want from our bows. If it is the maximum speed from given staves or boards, it probably helps to flip the tips.

I’m used to flipping the tips - I always do that in my bows but I’m wondering if there are benefits to NOT flipping - my sense is the bows are usually snappier with an extra 5# of weight or so.

As some stated, this assumes that flipping does not cause more set for that particular bow. Same thing goes with heat treating. It does increase the draw weight, but that does not necessarily mean the bow will shoot any faster. All I can think of for now is that we probably need to flip the tips before the final tillering. That means doing it to increase the final draw weight after the final tillering might not work as expected.
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: DC on July 04, 2020, 09:26:05 am
If it's a hunting bow I don't think you should be chasing speed too much. It's a long dark road ;) ;). 55#@30" will probably go clear though a deer and you don't need any more than that. Flipped tips do look cool though :D
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: Tommy D on July 04, 2020, 11:56:23 am
When it comes to hunting it’s far more important to have a bow you shoot accurately and consistently- and then focus on making good arrows, strong sturdy 2 blade broadheads, Single bevel, high FOC, perfect flight etc etc - there are far more things you can do to an arrow to make it penetrate better for hunting than any marginal increase in speed you might get by flipping the tips will achieve.

Not saying don’t flip the tips - just saying it’s not gonna make the difference between the arrow going through the deer or not!

If you shoot that bow well I would leave it alone...
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: Del the cat on July 04, 2020, 12:01:14 pm
Seems a tad short for flipping tips and a 30" draw ???.
Like Jawge says, if it ain't bust don't fix it.
Del
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: apg on July 04, 2020, 07:31:49 pm
okay I’m convinced. Not flipping. I’ll back it with some cobra I Have and make the wrap with some old buck hide I have. Will post here when it’s done!
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: apg on July 05, 2020, 09:17:55 am
Here it is!
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: DC on July 05, 2020, 09:57:55 am
That looks nice. A few wiggles always helps.
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: bradsmith2010 on July 05, 2020, 11:32:53 am
looks great,, could we see unbraced,, thanks B
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: Pat B on July 05, 2020, 12:09:51 pm
...and full draw.
Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: apg on July 07, 2020, 02:59:16 pm
As promised!

Title: Re: To flip or not to flip.
Post by: Pappy on July 08, 2020, 05:14:11 am
That's a beauty, like it a lot, should get the job done. :)
 Pappy