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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Jakesnyder on July 05, 2019, 02:17:32 pm

Title: Tree id
Post by: Jakesnyder on July 05, 2019, 02:17:32 pm
I live in south west pa and ideas?
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Post by: dylanholderman on July 05, 2019, 02:20:42 pm
Guessing just off of the leaves, but it looks like a hickory to me.
Is it heavy or really light weight?
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Post by: Jakesnyder on July 05, 2019, 02:41:32 pm
It's not as dence as the hickory around. It's hard tho. My finger nail wont dent it
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Post by: Jakesnyder on July 05, 2019, 03:16:37 pm
My thought was white ash
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Post by: burchett.donald on July 05, 2019, 03:27:58 pm
Hickory Dickory Doc, The Mouse Ran Up The Clock....You older guys remember that?
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Post by: Jakesnyder on July 05, 2019, 03:33:52 pm
The clock struck one... the mouse ran down... hickory dickory dock. You think its hickory donald?
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Post by: burchett.donald on July 05, 2019, 04:01:38 pm
 Yes, I do my friend or Pecan...Any hulls in the area from a bigger tree...Ash looks similar though...? If I could only smell them leaves I could tell you...Hickory puts off a strong perfume when you crush the leaves...
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Post by: slowbowjoe on July 05, 2019, 04:43:20 pm
Looks a lot like ash to me.
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Post by: Jakesnyder on July 05, 2019, 04:45:14 pm
Either way it will make a bow! Hopefully one day
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Post by: Bob Barnes on July 05, 2019, 05:37:20 pm
If the leaf is compound...all of the little leaflets are attached well... and the limbs are alternate, being nearly impossible to bend until they break...it's likely hickory, but if the leaves are compound the branches are also opposite, like the leaves... it's likely ash. 
http://www.emeraldashborer.info/documents/E-2892Ash1.pdf
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Post by: bushboy on July 05, 2019, 05:39:46 pm
Looks like green ash to me
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Post by: Pat B on July 06, 2019, 09:01:03 am
My first thought was ash.   Ash also has compound leaves.
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Post by: Jim Davis on July 06, 2019, 02:04:18 pm
Yes, ash leaves are also compound and opposite,  but the terminal leaflet on an ash is SMALLER than the other  leafets.


Terminal  leaflet on  hickory is bigger than other  leaflets. There are very many kinds of hickory, of which pecans are a member.
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Post by: SLIMBOB on July 06, 2019, 05:10:21 pm
Ash.
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Post by: Marc St Louis on July 06, 2019, 06:03:43 pm
Ash
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Post by: bjrogg on July 06, 2019, 07:59:35 pm
I thought ash to , but I don't have hickory so not sure about it.
Bjrogg
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Post by: PatM on July 06, 2019, 08:50:35 pm
Bark looks like Bitternut Hickory.   Ash  bark has a softer quality to it.  Bitternut bark kind of looks and feels like a typical rough sinew backing.
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Post by: PaSteve on July 07, 2019, 07:02:07 am
I don't know but I live in eastern PA and all the ash around here is dead or dying from the ash borer. Maybe it hasn't hit western PA as bad.
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Post by: Ringeck85 on July 08, 2019, 07:10:24 am
I say it's hickory.  Pignut (or Mockernut maybe?).  That sapling would make a Great bendy handle bow!!  Cherokee style flatbow, or maybe something like a Sudbury where the handle is rigid but not too high. 

For those suggesting Pecan: Pecan is not very common that far north (Pennsylvania right?), and its compound leaves have many more leaflets (To me it looks kinda like a wimpy Black Walnut leaf, they're both usually much longer and have more leaflets than hickories).  Also the bark on pecan is usually rougher looking from what I remember living in Tallahassee and Quincy, FL, where it was/is very commonly planted in rural areas.
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Post by: PatM on July 08, 2019, 07:26:14 am
Bitternut is in the "Pecan"  part of the Hickory family.   They even form hybrids although other hickories less closely related will also cross.
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Post by: SLIMBOB on July 08, 2019, 07:36:48 am
The leaves AND bark look like our Ash here. Does not look at all like our Pecan.
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Post by: Pat B on July 08, 2019, 07:48:13 am
Bitternut hickory(Carya cordiformis) and pecan (C. illinoensis) are 2 different species of hickory. This is from Michael A. Dirr's, "Manual of Woody Landscape Plants" a textbook from my horticultural studies. He also says that the bitternut nuts are so bitter that squirrels prefer other hickories over them.
 We don't have enough ash trees here for me to to be familiar with and the few that are here have been attacked by the emerald ash bore.
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Post by: rps3 on July 09, 2019, 05:17:07 am
I cant say for sure what it is, but I live in sw pa also and most large ash are dead, but I can still find a good many that size still alive.
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Post by: loefflerchuck on July 09, 2019, 05:47:40 pm
Slice a small stem and see if it is spotted. Thats how I tell between ash and hickory
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Post by: PatM on July 09, 2019, 06:17:51 pm
An end cut of the wood will also answer.  I still think it's hickory.
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Post by: Bob Barnes on July 09, 2019, 08:41:41 pm
again... Maple, Ash, and Dogwood have opposite branching... hickory is alternate.
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Post by: Jakesnyder on July 11, 2019, 04:29:15 pm
It has opposite branches so ash. Now to determine if it will make a bow. It has a whitish under the leaves so I'm thinking its white ash. Anyone agree?