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Title: Bending ERC
Post by: Swampman on June 05, 2019, 12:26:23 pm
Does anyone have experience bending ERC?  I am working on an ERC self bow and I have a string alignment issue.  Anyone with ERC experience know the best way to get ERC to move?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Bending ERC
Post by: Jakesnyder on June 05, 2019, 04:07:37 pm
I actually just bent some and lifted a splinter on both tips. I steamed it for 15 min and bent slow. You cant make real sharp bends with it. At least I couldnt.
Title: Re: Bending ERC
Post by: bjrogg on June 05, 2019, 04:15:42 pm
Haven't tried it. I'm thinking upstate has. 15 minutes doesn't seem like very long for steaming. I usually go 15 minutes for every quarter inch of thickness. Half again that much for poorer bending woods like HHB.
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Bending ERC
Post by: Swampman on June 05, 2019, 06:21:34 pm
Thanks for the input.  I will try steaming and see what happens.  I don't need to move it very far so hopefully it will go alright. The string goes across the handle about 1 inch off center.
Title: Re: Bending ERC
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 05, 2019, 06:44:06 pm
Best outcomes I've had have come from boiling or steaming for at least 20 minutes per 1/4 inch. ERC does not like to bend with heat. I'd try to bend as far as you can past where you want it, knowing it'll inevitably spring back significantly.

Whenever I plan and ERC bow I always leave as much width as possible out to the tips so I won't have to rely on heat to adjust alignment.
Title: Re: Bending ERC
Post by: Swampman on June 06, 2019, 12:50:25 pm
Thanks upstate.  I thought this stave would align just fine according to the strong I used before I started tillering.  However there is some prop twist with more in one limb than the other and I believe this is causing the alignment issue.  It really surprised me when I braced it.
Title: Re: Bending ERC
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 06, 2019, 02:34:49 pm
Ahh, I can see how that would happen. Surprises around every corner. Wishing you the best of luck! :)
Title: Re: Bending ERC
Post by: simson on June 07, 2019, 03:52:13 am
I don't remember making an ERC selfbow, but some backed: http://primitive-bows.com/tag/erc/

ERC responde good on steaming and also on dry heat with the heat gun, so your string alignment shouldn't be a big problem.
Good luck!
Title: Re: Bending ERC
Post by: gutpile on June 07, 2019, 05:37:02 am
dry heat for minor corrections..if bending recurve I boil 15 min per 1/4 of thickness.. ..pull bow from water and bend immediately all at once..clamp...gut
Title: Re: Bending ERC
Post by: Swampman on June 10, 2019, 07:35:20 pm
Well, I tried dry heat, steam and boiling of the limb I wanted to move and that limb did not budge.  Tonight I decided to try and move the other limb even though that limb was nice and straight.  I was successful in moving that limb 3/4 of an inch with dry heat.  I finally have the string lined up where I need it.  I sure am glad I didn't need to move anything more than I did because ERC does not like to move.  Now I can get back to the adventure of tillering.

Thanks for everyone's input.

Mike
Title: Re: Bending ERC
Post by: bradsmith2010 on June 10, 2019, 08:51:39 pm
Yes that is always an adventure )P(
Title: Re: Bending ERC
Post by: Bob Barnes on June 11, 2019, 07:13:43 am
for what it's worth... I just finished tillering a rocky mountain juniper bow... very similar to ERC... I found out quickly to just use a sanding block for the last several inches of tillering. 
Title: Re: Bending ERC
Post by: ohma2 on June 11, 2019, 10:58:39 am
BOb is right get rid of the rasp and files early it is so soft it takes deep tool mark . Scraper and sand paper are safer.
Title: Re: Bending ERC
Post by: Swampman on June 11, 2019, 01:21:35 pm
Thanks Bob and Ohma.  I did switch to send paper last night.  I started using a file and I felt the file was taking way too much wood.  I will definitely stick to sandpaper the rest of the way.