Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Pappy on April 03, 2008, 07:20:15 am
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This bow is called 2nd chance,I had a couple of bow blow and decided to try a take down using the good limb on each bow.I cut them in half and trimmed the profile to match on each limb.It turned out
pretty nice.It is 62 n-n and 63 1/2 tip to tip.Its 53@26.Deer rawhide backed with snake skins over
that.Cow horn tip overlays.The take down system works very smooth,just pull it a part and slip
it back togeather.I was afraid it would be noisy but was very please with the way it shot and sounded.See what yall think.O ya it is Osage. :)
Pappy
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More pictures.
Pappy
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The take down and full draw.Hope yall like it. :)
Pappy
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Looks great to me Pappy, tiller is right on as always. Just wondering where yer jammies are :D
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I had just came back from the farm,hadn't got into them yet. :) ;)
Pappy
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Great Tiller, the best chance for second chance 8)
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Good tillering on that second chance bow. It's a good shooting bow also, I've given her a try. ;) You better hold onto this one for a change... ;)
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Awesome Pappy, ;D Nice salvage on those limbs and you ended up with a good travel bow to boot. Another beaut of a bow as expected ;) Keenan
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Great bow Pappy. I love the simplicity of those takedown sleves. I need to make another takedown. The last one went to a new nome. Now I cant take my motorcycle hunting rabbits and I cant afford to drive the truck. ;) Justin
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Nice save! Waste not, want not. Pretty good looking bow, for 2 bows that were broken!!
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Thanks justin,that is just what I was thinking adb3112. The system is really simple to do
and I like that part. :)
Pappy
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pappy, aren't you getting tired of all these compliments? why don't you make a crappy bow for a change? ;D it is an absolute beauty (just like the ones before) but the takedown part really adds to it. heck you can carry it in your quiver along with your arrows. it should be real easy to conceal. what do you think justin? ;D
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That's another great looking bow Pappy! The tiller looks great and nice braced profile too.
Alan
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Good looking bow. I have a couple of bows with chrysals on one limb, plus there's Jimmy's one good limb from his first bow attempt. I might have to break down and get a storebought sleeve. I've fiddled with homemade stuff and not been that thrilled.
How close of a fit did you get on the wood going into the sleeves? Glue them in with epoxy to fill gaps or what? And I suppose the wood only sticks in 2"? Any other problems with the sleeves, did you have to beat on them at all to get them to fit together after installing them?
Any tips for us newbies would be appreciated.
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heck you can carry it in your quiver along with your arrows. it should be real easy to conceal. what do you think justin? ;D
I never even thought of that. What a brilliant idea. ;)
Lennie, yes the wood sticks in 2". I don't know how Pappy made his sleeves fit better. I have cut 1/32" out of the brass insert and clamped them while gluing, and sanded them good with emery cloth. I think the emery cloth works best. Justin
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Beautiful. simply beautiful.
now i have another on my list of 'have to try and build it'
love that take down system.
nice job
n2
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Great looking bow, I'm dyin to try a takedown, this summer for sure. You sure make a nice looking bow.
VB
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She's a beauty Pappy. Braced, unbraced and full draw are right on. I had a takedown sleeve til a few weeks ago. Sent it to Justin because all I did is look at it for a few years. I think Chris Cade gave it to me. I would like to try a takedown sometimes. It would be very convenient. Pat
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Thanks guys,I appreciate it,Lennie the selves fit nice,I just cut down the handle so the brass
would fit on easily and glued them with 2 part epoxy.The brass fits flush on the ends with the handle
you cut off,so be sure you have the bow the length you want when you but the 2 handles togeather.Then put the glue on and slid the brass on each limb.I wanted the bottom limb to slid out ,but I guess it wouldn't matter what ever you prefer.Then glue the steel sleeve to the brass
on the top limb,it goes up flush with the top of the brass.I did slid the bottom limb part way in the steel as soon as I put it on so I could be sure the limbs lined up,I had the fit loose enough
to where you could twist it a little so I could be sure I got it flat and lined up tip to tip.It
slides in and out pretty easy,I did put a little white grease on the inside of the steel and it works great nice suction fit,when you give it a pull to take it apart it pops.It slides togeather easy. :)
Pappy
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Classic Pappy bow ;)
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I thought it looked like your sleeve was brass on both ends, I didn't know they did it that way. It'd be fun to have different lengths of middle sleeve, to change the bow's n/n length if you wanted.
Did you spend a lot of time getting the fit close on the sleeves or did you just count on filling gaps withy the epoxy? And how did you prevent the epoxy from running out the bottom of the sleeve? I suppose you just used the sleeve to trace the outline on the end of each end and then worked it down 2" by eye? Cut it with a bandsaw or use a rasp?
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I tried to get it preety close ,but planed on the glue to fill.When I glued the steal sleve on the top limb I just went light with the glue and wiped it out as soon as I had it on wit a rag with thinner on it.then sliped the bottom in about 1/2 way up and made sure it was all lined up and held it,don't take long for the epoxy to set.Never thought about a different lenigth steel sleve.And yes I fit it by
eye and done it with a file.Of course the handle was already small because they cam off other bows.
I just traced the outside of the sleve and made it a little smaller for I.D. and check it offten till I
had it where I could put the brass on and off fairly easy.I didn't want to froce it on and have to beat
it back off and bur it up or dent or bend it the fit in the steal sleve is a tight fit.You won't have a problem,if I can do it anyone can. :) I like it so well I might even cut a good bow in half and do another. ;)
Pappy
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Very nice Pappy !!
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I was wondering about the double brass inserts as well. I'm doing one right now for a friend and the kit came with double brass inserts. Takedowns I done in the past only had the one brass insert so I figured someone made a misstake by sending two. No instructions with the kit so needless to say I only used the one like I done in the past.
On the brass insert end butt side I cut my wood 1/32" short so I could fill it with epoxy for a good seal. On the steel sleeve side I cut the wood a 1/16 short for an epoxy seal also and then used pre-cut gasket paper over that. As you can imagine, if you coat both surfaces of the metal sleeve and the wood handle and slide them together then you'll wind up with a mess of epoxy inside the sleeve. To get around that I just coated the handle good with epoxy but in addition to that I mounded a good portion of epoxy on the butt end so that once the sleeve was in place I could just heat the sleeve/epoxy with the heat gun and the mounded portion of epoxy flowed backward around the sleeve. I then placed a gasket seal over the wet epoxy. Will try to put up some pics later.-ART B
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Here you go!-ART B
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Thanks for the technical stuff fellas. Makes it less intimidating to try.
One more question, what did you do to make sure the tips of the two ends lined up well? Seems like a little play on the handle end would translate to a lot out at the tips. Not that any of my bows line up that well.
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You rule on this one, Pappy. Great craftsmanship and Great Idea. Hmmm, "Great Idea" might be a good name for a bow such as this one.
Looking forward to seeing this one at the end of the month.
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For me, I estimate my center line and lay the handle off accordingly. But I don't worry about the tips lining up initially. That can be corrected very easily using heat later on. But squaring the handle to the limbs is another story. Here a good eye helps, along with a little slack in the sleeve/insert.
Sorry Pappy, didn't mean to hijack your thread. -ART B
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Not a problem Artcher,I like to see other ideas,I went into this in the dark.Lennie
I did what Arcther said on the tips.I had them close and once I strung it I made a little
adjustment.Lovr the heat gun. ;) :) Thanks everyone glad yall liked it. :)
Pappy
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Very nice Pappy. I've never done one like that and was wondering how the fit is. I know that there is some creaking when I brace and pull back the string the first time with the method that I used for the takedowns I made. How about that method. Do they creak at first?
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Sweet takedown. I remember the post you put up a while ago of the bow in the working stages. It came out awesome. As always great work.
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Thanks guys,No Marc I haven't notice any noise at all and fully expected to,maybe the brass
helps on that,it is a air tight fit,like I had said before it sound like a plunger when you pull
it apart. :)
Pappy
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One of these takedowns like Pappys would be a little less difficult to bring for some of you folks flyin' to the Classic coming up... :)
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Awesome bow, Pappy. It's a work of art. Nice job. Jawge
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Ya Greg I think it will be handy for some of the trips I plan to take,now that I bought a little can to travel in,ant got room for the long ones,may have to cut them all in half. ;) ;D Thanks Jawge that
means a lot coming from you. :)
Pappy
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That bow is just plain gorgeous, and it's even the right draw length ;D Great job!!
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Thanks Canerod,Ya it is just right. ;) ;D
Pappy