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Title: Underlay, underlay!
Post by: DC on July 08, 2018, 12:00:06 pm
With apologies to Speedy Gonzales :) (I've been waiting to use that ;D ;D)
What is a good dark wood to use for underlays? I want dark to hide my glue lines. I tried Red Oak once and it crushed. I think the string groove weakend it. Would Yew be a good choice?
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Post by: Pat B on July 08, 2018, 12:19:22 pm
On my short sinew backed osage recurve, "Lil Thumper", the recurves cracked when I bent them using dry heat. I use yew as an underlay for it's lightness and a thin piece of ipe over that for the string to run over. Osage will work. It will darken in a year or so or maybe one of the tropical hardwoods.
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Post by: bushboy on July 08, 2018, 12:21:09 pm
Ebony?
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Post by: bushboy on July 08, 2018, 12:26:22 pm
On second thought ebony would likely be impossible to bend,may walnut?
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Post by: PatM on July 08, 2018, 03:45:57 pm
Black Walnut bends well.
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Post by: bubby on July 08, 2018, 04:56:44 pm
Black walnut, horn , ipe, Osage darkens well, I like figured woods
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Post by: upstatenybowyer on July 08, 2018, 06:30:11 pm
I've used walnut, tropicals (paduk, bacote), yew, and osage. If you want to speed up the osage darkening, just fume it.

Oh yeah, and I love the thread's title.  ;D
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Post by: DC on July 08, 2018, 08:04:02 pm
I thought everyone was too young to know who Speedy was ;)
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Post by: bubby on July 08, 2018, 10:12:14 pm
I thought everyone was too young to know who Speedy was ;)

I googled it🙄
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on July 09, 2018, 01:41:12 am
How well would the ferric acid do to darken Osage on the underlay? I know it’ll turn walnut black if you used it. My stiff scrapers walnut handle  has a black spot from laying on a card scraper that got a bit damp and rusted.

Kyle
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Post by: piotref1 on July 09, 2018, 03:24:56 am
I thought everyone was too young to know who Speedy was ;)

I've got good memories with that little mouse guy. And I'm 22  :P

Clever title, very clever.
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Post by: Marc St Louis on July 09, 2018, 06:13:48 am
Cute but to be precise that's not an underlay but an overlay.  You can use a dense tropical if it's thin enough.
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Post by: DC on July 09, 2018, 08:48:41 am
I thought belly side was called an underlay. So the correct term is an overlay on the belly side. Doesn't have the same ring :)
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Post by: bushboy on July 09, 2018, 09:06:12 am
I have used bamboo to reinforce before,works well!
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Post by: Pat B on July 09, 2018, 09:43:54 am
I'd call it an underlay on the belly side.
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Post by: Aaron H on July 09, 2018, 10:05:30 am
So would I
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Post by: leonwood on July 09, 2018, 01:43:19 pm
I used caramelized bamboo (the dark stuff) once. Worked great.
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Post by: Marc St Louis on July 09, 2018, 03:58:17 pm
Well it is going over something  ::)
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Post by: Pat B on July 09, 2018, 09:01:28 pm
...or is it going under something?
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Post by: BowEd on July 09, 2018, 09:14:45 pm
I've used bloodwood before for such a use.Looks nice.
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Post by: Stick Bender on July 10, 2018, 03:08:51 am
I understood what you said ,but I have always heard it said belly over lays or back over lays , at least in books Etc, but got the point.
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Post by: Marc St Louis on July 10, 2018, 06:41:11 am
...or is it going under something?

No.  Pretty sure it's going over something.  It is under the string but that's only when the bow is braced.  By that criteria you would have to class tip overlays as tip underlays  :D
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Post by: Danzn Bar on July 10, 2018, 11:51:14 am
 ??? I'm real confused now ???
How about under tip overlays  ::)
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Post by: bubby on July 10, 2018, 03:40:52 pm
I always called it an overlay, in this case maybe call it a beauty mark, they are usually covering bending cracks