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Title: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: blindarcher on June 26, 2017, 08:09:51 pm
Hi All,

Has anyone made a selfbow from Eastern Cottonwood?  I have cut some staves from a Cottonwood but have some hesitation to use it for a bow of any substantial draw weight due to low modulus of rupture, elasticity and compression strength.  My fears may be unfounded.  I noticed a definite heartwood similar in appearance to Osage Orange.  I am wondering if I should remove the lighter colored wood down to the top layer of heartwood as one would do with Osage.  I would appreciate input from others.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: Dakota Kid on June 26, 2017, 08:20:33 pm
Your fears are justified if it's cottonwood. The way you described the heartwood though it sounds like you might have a black locust. Cottonwood shouldn't have a yellow orange heartwood.  Locust has a somewhat similar bark to cottonwood. Any chance you can post a pic?
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: Pat B on June 26, 2017, 10:48:55 pm
The leaves should tell you whether it is locust or cottonwood.
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on June 27, 2017, 08:15:49 am
I wouldn't use it. Find some bow wood nearby. Maple, oak, hop hornbeam, elm, hickory or ash.
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 27, 2017, 08:29:21 am
Cottonwood has interlocking grain making it nearly impossible to split. Locust splits fairly easily.
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: blindarcher on June 27, 2017, 07:33:19 pm
Thanks All!  Attached are pictures that may help identify the tree.  I am pretty sure it is of the Poplar family and likely an Eastern Cottonwood.  I have built many bows from materials such as Maple, Osage Orange, Hickory, Red Oak, Elm and Ash, but never Cottonwood.  These staves may just become firewood, or just an experiment if I get bored.  I was surprised on how heavy the staves are, but this may be just a high moisture content given the time of year.
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 27, 2017, 07:45:57 pm
Looks like Eastern Cottonwood to me. I don't think it's a very good bow wood.
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: Stringman on June 27, 2017, 09:55:56 pm
Mulberry
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 27, 2017, 10:47:18 pm
Dog gone it Stringman, I do believe you are correct. The leaf in the pic doesn't have that characteristic little dip. Mulberry makes a great bow! :BB
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: BowEd on June 28, 2017, 08:27:53 am
Good eye Scott.
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on June 28, 2017, 08:57:54 am
Yup, and that beats the tar outta cottonwood for bow wood.
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: Stringman on June 28, 2017, 09:12:35 am
I love being right once in awhile.  ;D
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: hoosierf on June 28, 2017, 12:29:48 pm
Yep, if that was cottonwood you'd still be trying to The last strings apart from splitting it. It would not split like those staves. I grew up poor in Indiana and burned a lot of trash cottonwood to heat the house. It's a bear to split.
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: blindarcher on June 28, 2017, 06:27:44 pm
You guys are awesome!  Thanks very much for helping me solve this mystery.  The comments about the heartwood and difficulty in splitting cottonwood threw my for a loop, because it split easily, it appears heavier than what I expected for cottonwood, and the mulberry explains the heartwood.

Cheers to y'all!
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: blindarcher on June 28, 2017, 07:05:07 pm
In all my excitement about the news that this is Mulberry, I forgot about my original question.  Anyway, I had assumed that the white exterior wood is sapwood and the darker wood is heartwood, similar to  that found with Osage.  So, should I remove the whitewood down to the top layer of heartwood for the bow back?

Dopey me.
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: leonwood on June 29, 2017, 06:55:13 am
I for sure would be happy with those mulberry staves!
But for your last question, with mulberry you can use the sap as the back of the bow without any problems. Mulberry makes both sap and heartwood bows so you have a lot of bows there. Seal them well because the sap likes to split when drying.
Title: Re: Eastern Cottonwood for a Selfbow
Post by: blindarcher on June 29, 2017, 06:11:10 pm
Thanks you, the news just keeps on getting better.

Cheers!