Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: Trapper Rob on August 23, 2016, 08:19:45 pm
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Has anybody got there new issue of PA Magazine haven't got mine yet.
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Got mine today Robbie
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Not yet.
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Nope.
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Nope, Id say they are near a month behind. I know I paid for 2 years. Glad its not just me.
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I got mine yesterday.
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Got mine yesterday as well.
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Got mine yesterday too
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I got mine earlier this week - don't remember the day though.
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Could be because of the flooding in the Houston area recently.
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Got mine yesterday
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Hopefully they are trickling north.
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They haven't trickled south yet, but I-10 runs through Baton Rouge.
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Got mine today.
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I'm still waiting
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First thing I say when I get in from the barn did you get the mail & she says your magazine didn't come yet today. :'(
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Didn't get mine yet, they had my address wrong last edition had to call for it, so id like to know when everybody gets theirs
bjrogg
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Mine made it into the swamp today
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Mine came in today but I haven't started reading it yet.
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Came in from the barn & there it was laying on the table the wife looked at me & said are you happy now. :)
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I got mine yesterday. Funny, my wife said the same thing "No! Your magazine didn't come in today." In fact, I received two copies. I'm not complaining though, one for each bathroom. Life is good!
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Just got in from picking and husking 600 lbs of sweet corn for freezing,it's so much better than from the store. Wife said mine came today👍
Bjrogg
PS love this time of year. Been picking up (6) 5 gal buckets of apples for either wildlife or applesauce every day. The Bucks look so nice in their velvet.
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Mine came today, also Muzzleloader and Backwoodsman.
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Got mine yesterday. Pappy
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Got mine to, and the first thing I run into is Mike's political stance. Real nice, Mike. Not what I pay for.
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I agree Pearlie. PA has always been a haven from such opinions.That is why it has been successful for so many years.
We, the Administrators, Moderators and Members of the Primitive Archer Message Board have worked long and hard to keep politics, religion and divisive language off of the message board so we can get to the business at hand; passing on the wood bow, primitive archery and primitive technology knowledge and because of that dedication we have built a membership of folks from all walks of life, many religions, many beliefs and from many nations around the world. We are a global community and if I may say, a global family.
Mike, you definitely has the right to believe whatever you wants as we all do but this editorial published by you in Primitive Archer Magazine is unwelcome(by me) and unnecessary and divisive in my opinion. There are plenty of online forums that would welcome and encourage your opinion and plenty of online forums that would love to argue with you about your beliefs but in my opinion neither Primitive Archer Magazine or the PA Message Board Forum are the outlet for this.
I have been a subscriber to Primitive Archer Magazine since before the magazine first came out and still have every issue ever sent to me. Back then, as soon as I saw an ad in Traditional Bowhunter Magazine for a new magazine called Primitive Archer I mailed them a check for my first 1 year subscription. I had no idea what to expect but I knew I wanted to be part of it and here I am, almost 25 years later still reading and enjoying the magazine for what it has always been. I have been a member of the message board forum since I got my first computer. I felt privileged to be asked to be a moderator on the Massage Board and later an Administrator and I, along with the other Admins and Mods have done our best to help keep PA at the top, to keep the Message Board on track. There have been articles in the magazine I disagreed with or that were not of interest to me but that never swayed my interest in the magazine or my dedication to the Message Board. I have probably posted more on this message board than anyone else. I don't know if that is good or bad but it is what it is.
I have cast my educated vote in every major US, State and local election(and most others) since I came of age back in 1968 when I was a junior in high school. I consider it not only my duty as a citizen of the United States of America but also a privilege. In my opinion the United States of America has always been a GREAT country, no matter who was in charge. Just because my candidate may not have been elected doesn't mean our country became less great. As a matter of fact the US is Great because of it; because of our diversity, our differences and our individualism.
So Mike, lets keep Primitive Archer Magazine as it was set up to be; a vehicle for the primitive minded folks to spread their knowledge, for the primitive technology it supports and the Passing On of this knowledge to the next generation of primitive archers. In this GREAT country of ours your words are as important as any other American's but in my opinion, Primitive Archer Magazine is not the vehicle for divisive political opinions.
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Thanks Pat... Im glad you posted before me because I've been holding back due to my poor choice of words. Very uncalled for Mike and i hope it doesn't continue
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I agree with everything Mike said, but was really suprised to see it in the Magazine. I thought I had picked up my Magazine from the NRA.
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Got mine to, and the first thing I run into is Mike's political stance. Real nice, Mike. Not what I pay for.
I hope Mike reconsiders the idea of using this magazine as his soap box. I subscribe for the discussion on primitive archery, like PD says, politics in the magazine is not what I pay for. My next subscription is on hold in the meanwhile.
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I must have forgot to renew...
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I must have forgot to renew...
With all this "Hubbub" I'm wondering if I should have waited..? ???
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Yep, not a fan of the political rant - it is absolutely not appropriate for the magazine. Not to mention having a hunting story featuring a Black Widow bow, and the mention (in Ed's editorial) of adding articles on blackpowder firearms...both of which are great, but why are they in a magazine about primitive archery? Hmmmm...maybe it is time to take a break from my subscription and get to work reading the complete set of PA back issues I got a couple of years ago.
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I read that also Tim had to read it 2 times to make sure I was reading it right.
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Wow, now I'm kinda curious, lol.
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Get a subscription and you too can read it. :)
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Get a subscription and you too can read it. :)
Touché!
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Is this like Hollywood, where they say any publicity is good publicity?!? ???
Let's face it guys, he owns the rag and it's gotta be tough selling print in today's tech era. Besides, there's probably better things to gripe about out there. You don't like it, don't buy it. Nobody forced you to read it.
Here's a challenge - find a better magazine or group of guys on the newsstand. I'm not part of this community because it's the best of a bunch of bad choices, it's the top of the heap. JMHO
Now let's go hunting! 8)
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with a house full of people and a few thousand $(struts, seal replacements, brakes, tires, etc) of vehicle repairs between two cars I have not got $ for a subscription... I know its not much... I just ain't got it right now. :(
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Yea, like Scott said, nobody has to read it. I send money to the NRA and get American Rifleman. I never read all of the Political crap, gets to be the same old stuff after awhile. And I didn't even bother to read the Black Widow article, either. I will read the muzzle loading one, though. :)
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Yeah I'm not a fan of editorials and didn't read it till i saw this post. Personally i won't mind the black powder part at all though
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Black Powder Guns, 'Specially Flintlocks - go hand and hand with Primitive Archery I believe. My .02 - Bob.
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I two subscribed magazines PA and Backwoodsman. Used to get Traditional Bowhunter but got sick of reading about hunts in Africa so I didn't renew it. Any magazine that goes in a direction that I don't agree with or don't want to read about I just don't renew it. That's what Barnes and Noble is for, a cup of coffee and a handful of magazines off the rack which by the way is OK and encourage by them.
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I ordered a steak and got a hot dog this month. I didn't pay for a hotdog or order a hotdog.
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The magazine is called, "Primitive Archer" not and "black powder". My thoughts they are running out of archery hunts and gear builds so without being repetitive they appear or hinted that they are going to expand into other areas of traditional hunting ways, IE: black powder. Which would be OK with me. I don't get the political article but he is the owner of the magazine and he can stock the shelves anyway he wants. As mentioned, I am also a member of the NRA and almost never read the magazine but I do take it to bow making night and pass it on.
It is what it is.
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Seems pretty hard to avoid the political stuff completely. I understand what your saying but I was far less offended than I am by Hollywood, Sport Superstars and any number of other groups trying to cram there lifestyles on myself and my kids and grandkids. He does at least own the magazine and isn't make a fortune just because he looks pretty. Hope that doesn't offend to many I do hear what your saying afraid it just hard to avoid and people really have strong feelings about this political stuff. When my buddies and I got together we decided we wouldn't talk about it kinda sad it's come to that but we just smoked the peace pipe and everything was good
Bjrogg
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Reminds me of the song from 10 years after. " l'd love to change the World, but I don't know what to do, so I'll leave it up to You
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Ten Years After, one of my favorites from way back then. 8)
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I ordered a steak and got a hot dog this month. I didn't pay for a hotdog or order a hotdog.
Kinda feels like getting hit with a bait and switch.
I agree, this is Mr. Moore's magazine. But there is also the other side of a free market economy, the consumer. My consumption of this product is predicated on a magazine dedicated to "passing on the traditions of classical archery" as it says on the cover. If the magazine replaces the primitive archery content with other content, then my interest, too, becomes diluted. Some have said, "don't read that part". At what point do you stop buying a bag of chips when the air in the bag exceeds the product advertised on the packaging?
And where does the adulteration of content end in this drift away from the subject? Leather tooling? Dog training? Cabinetry? Boat building? Welding? Geocaching? Astronomy? Astrology? Remote control airplanes? Fencing and swordplay? Medievel re-enacting? Cosplay? Comic book collecting? Antique cars? Drag racing? Truck driving rodeos? If you think I pulled the examples from my imagination, I beg to differ. Every one of those subjects are things I have spoken about with members of this forum while outside of this forum and are genuine interests. But are they are NOT the unifying subject that has brought each and every one of us into this forum, or more importantly, to purchasing a subscription to the magazine.
My subscription is running out. And honestly, I am hanging fire on the renewal. I am not sure I am interested in the new direction at all.
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Well spoken JW
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Alright, JW, and a few other, "well spoken" people, As said, maybe some material is being repeated and the same ol, same ol, is par for the course.
So, how come all of the passionate people on here are not writing articles that will make this the kind of magazine you want to read. Everytime this comes up, ads for modern gear and whatever, to help offset the cost for everybody on this site that will not buy a subscription, it seems like none of the whiners will take the time to write a short article. If this magazine and passion of building bows really means as much to you as pissing and moaning then get off your ass and contribute.
Like said, a few of the same old people can keep recycling the same old crap for so long till it goes down the crapper or has to change when you guys don't care anymore or get lazy. We are the ones that build wooden bows. So write about it.
They will even pay you for it and then there is no excuse, "like I would have bought a subscription but I needed a twelve pack".
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You couldn't be farther off this time Eddie.
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Did Mr. Moore buy PA?.. I keep reading folks post saying he owns the mag but last i knew Mr. Luther was the owner 8).... Jdub makes a valid point i think.. Eddie you might just have hit on the root cause of the mags expansion into other interest as well. We should all be flooding PA with articles and how-to's etc.... We are the bow builders and the hunters... We are the experts in this particular field and as such have a responsibility to posterity to spread the knowledge 👍
But, at the end of the day..we all got our feathers ruffled by a political rant that shouldn't have been in PA..... Im pretty sure im not gonna put any more thought or time on this subject... If PA takes a path i cant appreciate i just wont renew.. Cash is king after all 😃 ... Time will tell.... Brian
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I agree Pearl. I don't think venting a bit hurts although if I don't like what I see in a mag I don't read it. Writing about it on here may wake some folks up on both ends of the spectrum the owner and subscribers.
Maybe P.A. could do like Backwoodsman does and that is ask the readers what they would like covered in the magazine. They then post what will be printed in future magazines and ask those that are familiar with the list of subjects to write an article or submit photos etc.
I have just about every PA magazine printed as it is one of the finer magazines around the covers my interests in the sport of archery shooting, hunting and flintknapping.
Bashing folks that you don't agree with does no good.
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Wow just got time to read some of the PA mag and Mikes article I thought I had a us news mag. Then I got to the hunt with a black widow and I had to turn back to the cover and make sure I didn't grab a traditional bowhunters mag. Not what I expected to see in a PA mag at all.