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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: dylanholderman on August 12, 2016, 02:35:17 pm
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I couldn't resist cutting this honeysuckle today but now I can't make up my mind about what to do with it ???
Gul wing or deflex maybe cook some reflex into the limbs after I get them shaped?
As it sits it is 53" long and has 7" of deflex/setback and needs alinement correction on one of the limbs.
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/84DD0470-7DFE-4549-9A1B-B3D1AC651E01.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/84DD0470-7DFE-4549-9A1B-B3D1AC651E01.jpg.html)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/A6C4BB53-545E-4EB9-8125-B88CBF41462D.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/A6C4BB53-545E-4EB9-8125-B88CBF41462D.jpg.html)
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It will be very difficult to achieve balance/stability with that much set back. Also, I would be concerned about that small diameter holding up at the "v", especially with that branch coming off it. Gripping/holding it would be another issue. Unless you're feeling very adventurous, Id look for a better specimen. But that's just my opinion. Your half my age and full of P & V I'm sure!
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Just curious do you know which side is compression? Pearl has way more experience than me and better advice I'm sure. If compression side was right I'd see Reflex Deflex maybe glue triangle block on back of handle wrap it good end up something like Marc's.
Bjrogg
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The little branch out of the handle may be the deal breaker. I would flatten out the reflex in the limbs some and go for a 5 curve. That's just my opinion though.
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Im with Jon. Deflex the limbs out of the handle and flip the tips a bit for a 5 curve.
Hard to see what's up with that branch though
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If u are dead set on using it use it turned with deflex out of the handle and reflex the tips
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I ended up taking the advice to remove some reflex. I was also able to clamp the crooked limb so hopefully it won't be a problem later :-X
Now how long do I leave it like this ???
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/F029BE7E-9B30-4F9E-A3A9-4E9C37A518FD.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/F029BE7E-9B30-4F9E-A3A9-4E9C37A518FD.jpg.html)
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Building bows is not a hobby that you would expect to be an accomplish bowyer by starting out on your first bow building a complex design and hoping the out come to be good even with a lot of experienced help.
Please ..... start out simple and get a few bows under your belt before starting something complex.
Just one mans opinion................
DBar
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I'd deflex the outer limbs and try to bend the center, (good luck) but, hey, you already cut the wood. But, really, I go along with what PB said, but he is getting old. ;)
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I'd deflex the outer limbs and try to bend the center, (good luck) but, hey, you already cut the wood. But, really, I go along with what PB said, but he is getting old. ;)
Who the hell is PB I sure hope you are meaning PD Hahahaha :) ;)
DBar
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Hey, Peanut Butter for his handle. I think it's kinda catchy. Has a certain...how do the french say....je ne sais quoi.
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Ohhhh baby that stave gets my heart pumping. If I could find an osage stave like that, id crap myself. You really cant build that bow wrong no mater which way is the back. Never worked honey suckle before so I dont know if it makes a good bow or not but that shape has potential for days!
If it were me, and I wanted to play it safe as possible, id position the handle so it was a deflexed handle with reflexed limbs. Then of course recurve the ends and tiller that bad boy out to look like an egyptian traingle ( i think thats what they were called ) bow. Also I would fill in the handle area with wood to strengthen it and make it a 45 pound bow. Perhaps sinew it as well if it gace me any warning signs.
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seems like the handle would be easier to shoot,, if you made it with the natural deflex and recurved the tips,, but what ever should be a fun bow,,nice find,,
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Since it is green leave it as long as it takes to dry it. The less heating to get it to the shape you want the better. A five curve is not that difficult of a bow to make. I think it will work if you do your part. ;)
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i just realized that the pic doesn't show very well but i already roughed it out for a five curve. i think i'll let it sit for a month, in this heat and with how small it is shouldn't take long >:D
PD: thank you for the advice about stability and the strength of the kink(for lack of a better term) i'm just trying it for the heck of it and if it fails well i wont feel to bad about cutting it down, the stuff is a invasive species thats choking out native plants. makes a decent bow though >:D O:)
DB: this is far from my first bow, i don't want to be rude but i'm wondering if you got my and swamp thang's threads confused.
sleek: i've made a few bows from honeysuckle before(its everywhere where i live) and it seems to be pretty decent stuff, tension strong and seems to be at least somewhat compression strong but i haven't really tested its limits. however a high crown is par for the coarse, it will check to hell if your not careful and i've not had good luck doing major heat bends(like recurves and extreme alignment corrections)
finding a branch like this isn't really to rare with this plant, it will naturally arch over and then correct itself hence the kink. this is just the first time i thought to try it this way :)
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Well, if you are going for a 5 curve, certainly go ahead and deflex both limbs to look as if they are braced already, to the point that the limb tips are even with the point of the handle. You WILL have to recurve the ends up to allow for string angle. If you do it so that the tips of the bow are even with the handle AFTER you have recurved them, you will be able to get a decent draw length out of this bow, at very least 26 depending on weight, even further. I have done exactly that on several bows with much sucess.
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sleek - why deflex the limbs that much? I think the way you have it clamped up looks good. I've only my 4 true 5 curves, and they all have a few inches of reflex over all
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Exactly, goat.
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sleek - why deflex the limbs that much? I think the way you have it clamped up looks good. I've only my 4 true 5 curves, and they all have a few inches of reflex over all
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Basically I was giving him the parameters i built slightly ticked with. Add to it that thats a high crown non osage wood, fairly short, and one im not familiar with. I only sugest the limbs deflex so the tips are even with the handle effectively making it a straight stave. That should allow for a comfortable longer draw than with it having any reflex and make the bow more stable and less stressed, less likely to break. I know yall know slightly ticked but the link is for his benefit.
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,53940.0.html