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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: DC on July 17, 2016, 09:56:59 pm

Title: Quiet Bows
Post by: DC on July 17, 2016, 09:56:59 pm
What makes a bow quiet? I just finished a yew sorta pyramid and most of the time all I can hear is the string vibrating a bit.
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: Weylin on July 17, 2016, 10:21:43 pm
You might want to play around with brace height and arrow weight. And there are string silencers, of course.
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: Pat B on July 17, 2016, 10:23:50 pm
Tie rubber bands around the string one up and one down and see if that quiets it. If so you can make fancy fur silencers for the string. Heavier arrows make a bow quieter. The noise is vibrations and heavy arrows and string silencers both absorb vibration.
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: osage outlaw on July 17, 2016, 10:52:28 pm
I think arrow spine can cause some noise on the release.  If they are to stiff they can clank off the arrow pass. 
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on July 18, 2016, 09:12:19 am
Your string can make or break the noise deal as much as anything. Too many twists or not enough will cause nose/vibration. Its not super sensitive, but if you have say 4 or 5 twists per inch, you have too many. If you have 1 or 2 per inch you don't have enough.
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: George Tsoukalas on July 18, 2016, 09:12:31 am
All of the above plus a good tiller. Jawge
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: SLIMBOB on July 18, 2016, 09:29:04 am
The better the tiller the quieter the bow, but not just tiller alone.  Limb timing (ballance), lite tips, proper brace height.  I think it's all of these things that have been mentioned coming together.  Some of mine come off the tree really quiet, others are a struggle to muffle them.
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: BowEd on July 18, 2016, 10:01:43 am
+1.....Many things go into a quiet shooting bow.If you got 0 hand shock I'd say just a couple of silencers will work on your bow to quiet it even more.
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: bow101 on July 18, 2016, 02:37:59 pm
Your string can make or break the noise deal as much as anything. Too many twists or not enough will cause nose/vibration. Its not super sensitive, but if you have say 4 or 5 twists per inch, you have too many. If you have 1 or 2 per inch you don't have enough.

I hear ya to many have only 10 strands, mine have 12 and some twist they are deadly quiet.  Use some fuzzy wuzzy material 12" down from the tips works for me.   ;D
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: DC on July 18, 2016, 03:06:28 pm
I'm not worried about the string noise. Those fur silencers always remind me of coon tails hanging from the aerial of a '52 Chevy. ;) ;) ;) Not my cup of tea. It's the other noises. I've tried all different spines, still get a whacking noise(I guess you would call it). This bow doesn't do that most of the time. I'm wondering if it could be the string hitting my bracer that I'm hearing. I know it does hit because it leaves a mark on the bracer. I haven't figured out how that happens because the string is at least 3" from my arm when I hold the bow up to shoot it. 
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: bradsmith2010 on July 18, 2016, 03:28:37 pm
the better your release, the quite the bow :)
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: bow101 on July 18, 2016, 03:36:08 pm
the better your release, the quite the bow :)
I noticed one thing that I have been practicing lately, hold the bow straight and pull back  straight or twist slightly to the right and dont use the death grip.  When I practice that the string does not hit my arm and my grouping improves.  I have tried countless bows and arrows, so I know its not the Spine.. :D
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: DC on July 18, 2016, 04:09:52 pm

the better your release, the quite the bow :)

I was afraid of that :-[ :-[

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I noticed one thing that I have been practicing lately, hold the bow straight and pull back  straight or twist slightly to the right and dont use the death grip.  When I practice that the string does not hit my arm and my grouping improves.  I have tried countless bows and arrows, so I know its not the Spine.. :D

Twist your arrow hand??
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: bow101 on July 18, 2016, 05:32:17 pm

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I noticed one thing that I have been practicing lately, hold the bow straight and pull back  straight or twist slightly to the right and dont use the death grip.  When I practice that the string does not hit my arm and my grouping improves.  I have tried countless bows and arrows, so I know its not the Spine.. :D

Twist your arrow hand??

Yep;  You corrected me on that.  Its the same thing shooting my FG recurve or wood bow.  ::)
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: bradsmith2010 on July 18, 2016, 05:33:20 pm
yes the arrow hand has alot to do with it too,, my problem is usually too much third finger,, when I get it right,, loose grip and smooth release on the fingers,, my bow will shoot a wide range of spine very well,, and quite,, when I have a bad release it won't shoot any arrow well,, just takes lots of practice,, the heavier bows are easier to get a good release,, practice with a lighter bow will improve your release and make shooting any bow easier on the release,, 
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: BowEd on July 19, 2016, 08:25:09 am
So it is more than just a vibrating string as first stated.
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on July 19, 2016, 08:36:09 am
Could be or could be not. Since none of us but DC has the bow, we may never know what the culprit is. All of our comments were just suggestions to look at. All cause noise. One or more is at fault.
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: Badger on July 19, 2016, 08:47:12 am
  I think what DC is saying that the yew bow he has now he is happy with and it is very quiet. Some of the other bows he has made gave him a whacking noise. If your tiller is good on those bows I would look at arrow spine and checking your nock height when you tune the bow and arrow set up you have. I think too stiff of arrows is more common than too weak when the arrow is hitting the side of the bow.
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: BowEd on July 19, 2016, 09:13:58 am
I see...OK then.Sorry a misunderstanding.Yes tiller/nock placement/arrow spine/form and follow through/brace height are all things to look into then.Hopefully the next bow made shoots like the yew then.
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: DC on July 19, 2016, 12:02:14 pm
  I think what DC is saying that the yew bow he has now he is happy with and it is very quiet. Some of the other bows he has made gave him a whacking noise. If your tiller is good on those bows I would look at arrow spine and checking your nock height when you tune the bow and arrow set up you have. I think too stiff of arrows is more common than too weak when the arrow is hitting the side of the bow.

You're right Steve. I noticed that people weren't quite understanding my question but that seems to happen a lot. I don't write clearly I guess. I apologise for that. Anyway, I was still getting the answers that I was after so I just let it slide.

Yes, the new Yew bow is quiet. It's about 45# and the arrows are bamboo, spined from 44-50# with 100gr tips.
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: Traxx on July 19, 2016, 05:25:02 pm
I was sure i understood the initial question,it was the replys that were confusing me. :o
Title: Re: Quiet Bows
Post by: George Tsoukalas on July 19, 2016, 05:45:54 pm
Oh the wacking noise is the arrow hitting the side of the bow which is caused by too high a spine or too low a brace height. Jawge