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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Stick Bender on June 16, 2016, 03:42:02 pm
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Hi guys does any body have any exsperience with these 2 types of hickory , I have only used red hickory & pecan in the past haven't used shag bark & was wondering if there is much difference between the two ?
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What are you calling red hickory. Hickorys been my favoret white wood for ever. I've made maybe 11 or 12 shag bark bows as many pig nut. 2 shell bark hickory bows. 2 water hickory. The water hickory were light poundage bows 40 and 45 # bows. So I really can't say much about water hickory.
But I think shag barks a little harder wood and picks up less moisture. But any hickorys good to go.
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Red hickory is same thing as Pig nut probably should have titled it Pig nut VS Shag Bark
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Sorry not called that in WV.
I lean to wards SHANG BARK. It seams to have a tad better cast.
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My Hickory bows are just about all Shagbark , I love it
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My best hickory bow was mockernut. I haven't made alot of hickory bows but I have used every type available to me. I like them all.
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You can compare numbers on this site. Pretty close to each other. Scroll down for the rest of the hickories.
http://www.wood-database.com/lumber-identification/hardwoods/pignut-hickory/
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I've made bows from both.....pignut is my favorite....
DBar
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I've made a few out of Hickory, and have been most pleased with Pig-Nut and MockerNut. Shagbark seemed to be just a bit more inclined to SOAK UP the Missouri Humidity and took set more quickly (...though this should likely be blamed more on the bowyer than the bow wood!)
OneBow
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You can compare numbers on this site. Pretty close to each other. Scroll down for the rest of the hickories.
http://www.wood-database.com/lumber-identification/hardwoods/pignut-hickory/
Or, if you want the original numbers that the "wood database" lifted theirs from, go here: http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/research/centers/woodanatomy/techsheets_display.php?geo_category_id=2&genus_commonname_criteria=c&sorting_rule=1a (http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/research/centers/woodanatomy/techsheets_display.php?geo_category_id=2&genus_commonname_criteria=c&sorting_rule=1a)
Pignut hickory has the best numbers.
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I've made quite a few hickory bows....Pig and shag both.There is'nt a whole lot of difference to me.Both take heat treatment very well and above average.They will take different designs well too.It's just plain tough stuff.A few numbers different in the density figures is'nt much and it does'nt sway me one way or the other when I make a bow out of either.
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I prefer Pignut and have made a bunch from both. Both are fine but pignut in a little denser it seems to me. :)
Pappy
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To me hickory is hickory, I do like to cut it in deep woods where it had to grow long and hard to reach sunlight. I once cut an 8" sapling that was 50 years old, very dense stuff.
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To me hickory is hickory, I do like to cut it in deep woods where it had to grow long and hard to reach sunlight. I once cut an 8" sapling that was 50 years old, very dense stuff.
Density compared between species is a false trail. At the two ends of the spectrum are yew and osage. But within the species, a denser piece is generally going to perform better.
I would encourage you to pretend you are Eric Krewson and wander deep into the hickory woods. Find something in the deep shade, something pipe straight, something not too far from the truck....and take it down!
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Don't overlook modulus of elasticity and work to maximum load. Those figures are related to how much energy it takes to bend the wood and how far it will bend before it begins to start taking less additional energy to bend it. This last is the yield just before breaking.
It is true that both will make a good bow and it's really not possible to compare a bow of shagbark to a bow of pignut. There are too many other larger variables. I save my shagbarks to bear good edible nuts. The pignuts aren't good to eat anyway and the wood is that little bit better.
Jim Davis
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Today's haul of hickory, the problem is I gave the crews exact directions on where to cut each tree but they didn't follow my directions. The big log is usable but the small one was cut off above the 7 foot section I wanted (neighbor's yard) and is only firewood grade because of the knots. The bark still slips and that is a good thing.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/sawing%20wood/hickory%20score%20001_zps7lw4rjp0.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/sawing%20wood/hickory%20score%20001_zps7lw4rjp0.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/sawing%20wood/hickory%20score%20002_zpsfxgbiyrb.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/sawing%20wood/hickory%20score%20002_zpsfxgbiyrb.jpg.html)
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All hickory flavors meat the same to me, just my opinion. ::)
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Beautiful wood, after all.. Which wood is not beautiful to a bowyer's eyes?
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We discarded about half the hickory because of knots but still had about 5 or 6 bows worth of wood. Darin is shellacking the good stuff, the bark pulled right off.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/sawing%20wood/shellacing%20hickory%20001_zpsbhcsdrf5.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/sawing%20wood/shellacing%20hickory%20001_zpsbhcsdrf5.jpg.html)
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Beautiful wood, after all.. Which wood is not beautiful to a bowyer's eyes?
Alder
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Beautiful wood, after all.. Which wood is not beautiful to a bowyer's eyes?
Alder
My favorite smoking wood. ;)
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It's good for that and it's the major source for firewood around here.
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I still find Alder beautiful, maybe for tip overlays? 😂
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Nice pics Eric....When I cut a hickory it is out of a thick stand of them too.No branches for at least the first 15 to 20 feet.Tall and straight as a gun barrel.Very fine rings of around 25 to 30 rings per inch preferred.I think it's the densest then.It is kinda cool though to get a mild snake bow once in a while out of some logs yet.Around here occasionally there will be a dead snag standing too.Boers get em.Hickory serves as my main source of firewood too DC.
I don't think I've ever tried alder yet.
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Shagbark staves with bark just popped off.
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad41/Beadman1/DSCN1225_zpsi9pqxehn.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/Beadman1/media/DSCN1225_zpsi9pqxehn.jpg.html)
Always like that just pulled right out of the tree back of summertime cut hickory.
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad41/Beadman1/DSCN1226_zpso5ipd5dy.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/Beadman1/media/DSCN1226_zpso5ipd5dy.jpg.html)
Sorry for robbing into your thread Stickbender,but as you can see most people really like a good piece of hickory.Good luck with yours.
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Most of the hickory around here is located on goverment or private property unless I want to go pretty far south so I bought these from a guy south of me ,3 Shag bark 3 pignut plus more seasoning , I'm glad to see all the posts on Hickory one of my favorite white woods with sugar Maple a close second . No worries Ed rob away love all the pics since Im doing more dreaming about bows then working on them tell winter.
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Are those split or sawn?
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Split one side sawn the other
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They look like finished lumber! Straight stuff!
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Us PNW boys dream of cutting those monster trees holding many straight staves.
Other than the odd black locust, our best bow woods grow small and gnarly for the most part.
I have 4 or 5 hickory staves, but am unsure of how the wood would perform here..
I was in a house a while back where the owner used all wood cleared from the property for his home.
It took me 5 or 6 guesses before I found out all his cabinets were alder, really pretty stuff
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These where taken from pretty good size trees the crown is really flat especialy on the pig nut, there is a little wave in the them but took the pics with my phone , makes them look straiter then they are. But still nice strait staves !