Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: sleek on March 26, 2016, 10:01:10 pm
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I try sometimes to watch tv with my wife and son. I try to watch shows that are not beyond what a ten year old should see. But these commercials are terrible. Many are worse than the tv show. They are often worse because they are supposed to depict what is normal in life. The show is fiction and that is known. But I am tired of kids talking about sex on tv and how such and such products prevent pregnancy so they can do what ever when ever. There are other commercials that are just as bad on other subjects but this last one irritated me bad.
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I agree man, television is for the birds. If your wife can bear it get rid of it! I thought mine would not be able to but she is proud of it now
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Kill your TV.....if it's an old tube tv the glass is great for knappin....Noah
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Agreed . Really sucks when you see same sex kissing. I'm never going to be politically correct.
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LOL, have you-all seen the Direct TV adds about settlers? >:D
You have to admitt tha they are funny.
"And Emma, you have your basket of cabbage"
Zuma
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I've gone the other way, all my video entertainment is streamed from the internet, either folks I enjoy watching on youtube, or shows on netflix, or stuff I just "download". No commercials, no problems. About the only thing I watch on broadcast TV are sports and Walking Dead because I just can't wait till the next day, someone at the office would have spoiled it on Monday, lol.
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If this thread is going to devolve in "omg those horrible gays" then it should be locked down as I'm pretty sure that breaks into the "no politics" rule.
As it is, I don't have cable, only watch PBS on tv if I do watch it at all, and like Urufu either stream or just rent/get movies from the library.
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Its all part of the deterioration of our fabric. It started around 1980 and has manifested into an unstoppable force. Don't wait for the country to change as it cant ever be the same as it was, change your own family and hope the rest catch on.
Did you know in the 70's over 70% of American houses belonged to a wed couple? Its around 17% now. Did you know at that same time only about 20% of the births were out of wedlock? Its about 4x that now. Christianity, buy in or not, started those old values and it to is dying fast in our country. Spooky times just ahead my friends.
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Oh hooray, religion brought into it too!
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Look at you go.
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Don't try acting like I'm doing something wrong, when you know there's TWO rules to these forums and you deliberately broke them.
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I don't see any adequate representation of a political or religious view being stated, seems like PD was following in line with the question of the current post-modern ethos that actually sleek was pointing out frustration with. Now what would follow his statements on that track would break the religious clause haha, but that's up to you
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Save your breath Lumber man.
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Sorry but I don't see how expressing opinions based on one's personal moral values is either political or religious. I think the aforementioned scary times are getting closer all the time. That happens to be my opinion even though exercising one's freedom of speech may be a little too political for some.
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If this thread is going to devolve in "omg those horrible gays" then it should be locked down as I'm pretty sure that breaks into the "no politics" rule.
As it is, I don't have cable, only watch PBS on tv if I do watch it at all, and like Urufu either stream or just rent/get movies from the library.
Homosexuality is not politics. Politics may have adopted homosexuality as a cause to promote. But thats it as far as how the two mix. Beyond that its a lifestyle. I never heard anyone say " straight folks are politics dont be talkin straight around here. " And I agree, sex, drugs, homesexuality both male and female, all of these are life styles I dont want my son to choose. I didnt mention all that because as lumberman picked up and pointed out, it was well implied.
I had to say all that just to disentangle the homosexuality statement from politics. One is not the other any more than drugs or sex or rocknroll. Lifestyle shouldnt be made out to be politcal and therefore it shouldnt be ruled upon either direction. But because we are a non biased group here we also neither ask, tell, or want to know. So, dont jump in and
scream just because one guy mentioned his preference. Its neither religious or political.
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Spooky times just ahead my friends.
This is something that terrifies me as a Christian
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"All these things must happen"
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Speak
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Its nervous times as a Christian but as one, its a fine line line to walk between wanting Gods will be done and dreading the process. Confusing emotions. He takes care of us though. Thats comforting. Then there is righteous indignation and it is good to be angry at the same things that make God angry, and to take a stand against it all.
I dont think I mentioned any religion that wouldnt be welcome during time of condolences, so I should be good to go on the rules. Im gonna step off that fine line now though.
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Didn't say you said any of that, Sleek, but I couldn't help but notice that there's others that were more than happy to grab the bit and run.
I like these forums, I REALLY like them. I like learning about bowmaking and primitive stuff, and I think that the reason those subjects are talked about so much is because the politics and religion rule is enforced here. I think it's a great rule, and should be stuck to.
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Your first point. I am addressing here so pay close attention for one moment please.
Sexual orientation and politics are NOT the same. To go with the argument of the ones who are homosexual, they say its not a choice they were born with it. Using that logic only, then they were predisposed to it before they could make the choice of religion or political party. Religion and politics are the choice, not orientation and therefore can NOT be the same.... going by their argument only. Based on that alone, it is NOT politically related.
That point being made, nobody grabbed a bit and ran. I think you perceived an issue and ran with it. Its not there. Please differentiate the two.
Yup, I like the forum too and I like the rules.
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It gets murky real quick due to what is going on in our culture as this thread shows. Good explanation of your intentions Ranasp. I think it has been frustrating for a lot of Christians to be labeled as haters for submitting their lives and beliefs to the gospel. Lots of misrepresentation out there and ultimately it is a fact that any believer of Christ who wishes to follow Him is told explicitly in Scripture that they will be ostracized and rejected. I think each generation has to learn what it means. Didn't mean to mock you, apologize if that's how it came off. Everyone can relax and remember that we are just chilling around a big ole campfire haha, interesting run down on the logic involved sleek
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LOL, so much for no Religious posts!
Sleek, If you don't like it, don't watch it. Pretty simple.
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I dont think you get my point jojo. I pick my shows for my kid, but I cant pick my commercials. no choice on those. Of course I could forgo the tv entirely, but why should I have to? Should have a service where you get to pick your commercials. Or at least ban certain ones and list why, from your show.
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I dont think you get my point jojo. I pick my shows for my kid, but I cant pick my commercials. no choice on those. Of course I could forgo the tv entirely, but why should I have to? Should have a service where you get to pick your commercials. Or at least ban certain ones and list why, from your show.
I do get it, show your provider that the show is ok, but you aren't willing to watch the content of the commercials. Call them, e-mail them. I have a rule I try to follow, Do, or do not. If you are going to complain and do nothing, you have no place to complain. If you are complaining to the right people, perhaps something will get done. If nothing gets done, at least you know that you did what you could. Also keep in mind that they advertise to a select audience. People that watch the show buy the product they are pitching! If they didn't they would be wasting money. Ever notice "Dating" Line commercials late at night, Or lawyers ads? Product placement.
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It gets murky real quick due to what is going on in our culture
Lumberman makes a good point here, but it is not something new in our culture, I do not think.
Now that the election season is upon us, I could not help but notice a editorial in the local paper.
The gist of it was....."We have preachers telling us how to vote, and politicians telling us what to believe" ...the mindset of the rest of the piece was somewhat like what I see expressed here, about the recency of the change.
You do not have to look very hard at the history of this country, to see that the characterizations in religious and political discussions often are, and have for a long time been, conflated and abused.
Look at one of the the most shameful and devastating events in our national history, The war between the states. 150 years later we still cannot agree on the causes that brought brother against brother, and decimated this country. Was is about economics? race? morality? Freedom?
All of these things to some degree or another for sure, but to say that it was religious or political is only to describe the lens that you are looking through. To be clear, I am not saying that seeing through a lens is wrong, we all it do to some extent.
Homosexuality? Moral decadence? Drugs and rock and roll? The decline of our culture? State your views as you own, and there should not be a problem in a civil discussion. Citing your views, as such and such, and then presenting it as authoritative for someone else because it was ordained by God, Nature, the President or the Supreme Court, is when we bring religion and politics into the discussion.
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Hey Sleek,
there is an electronic accessory with a hard disk that you can buy for your TV.
You can record the show for watching later, or just start it when the show begins, and start watching a few minutes later. You can fast forward through the stuff you do not want to see, and if you time it right, you can watch the end of the show or game in real time, so that your your buddy does't call after the winning goal, and spoil the ending for you.
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As a follower of Jesus it is hard to find things descent for our children as well as my grandchildren to watch. We need to be able to speak as much as others
of our rights as Americans. Nothing special needed. The adds on TV are really bad agreed. Sleek I am glad my sons are grown. But I have to find
good things for the little one still. I'm with you on this whether we talk about Jesus or not. Times are going to get worse so we need to stick together, all of us
here to lend a hand to stand with our brothers.
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Hmm, one would think a forum based on, to one extent or another, history, would have more folks who know the whole "the world is in moral decay" is just a myth and has been said by every generation since before the atlatl was invented.
As for homosexuality, I find it highly unlikely it can be discussed without it being a religious topic since it seems only the religious are concerned with it. Though it shouldn't be an issue, anyone who speaks out against them on the basis of whats written in the bible are merely modern day pharisees and sadducees who followers of Christ should roundly rebuke as Christ did.
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As for homosexuality.................. only the religious are concerned with it.
Urufu
Are you commenting about the postings in this thread, or the discussion as whole in our culture?
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It doesnt take a Christian to not be homosexual. Plenty of atheist out there that are straight by choice. Nobodybhas said anything for or against homosexuality. I doubt anyone will. So far this conversation has done well in that regard. Only way to figure if some one is against it is if they say they are Christian and even then you cant be sure, and that is profiling ;D Nope, no discussion of religion going on here unless someone says tjat because I am a Christian I must be against homosexuality and then that person would be in violation of the rules. Not me.
They would be correct if they said moral decline has been happening since man was created. There is a Book that agrees with that and tells how it all happened.
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As a whole. There is no moral objection to who one loves except where there is a cultural tradition of religious taboo, generally of the abrahamic religions...
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As for homosexuality.................. only the religious are concerned with it. [/quotefu
Are you commenting about the postings in this thread, or the discussion as whole in our culture?
That is a generalization that is false. The politicians are concerned with it. The religious may vote based on their beliefs. America is great isnt it? to say only the religious are concerned with it says all the politicians are religious. I think that statement is obviously false. We religious tend to rule our household on what we believe is good and correct. Should be no problem there. I just want to filter the crap that enters my house. It seems that disk idea is a good one. Thanks.
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As a whole. There is no moral objection to who one loves except where there is a cultural tradition of religious taboo, generally of the abrahamic religions...
Dont forget the Muslims! That wouldnt be fair! Except the abrahamics treat homosexuality much better. We tend not to mistreeat them....
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Sleek, Islam IS an abrahamic religion...
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Boy am I mis informed. Gadda do some research.
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Comparative world religions is one of my hobbies....lol
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Urufu
I was afraid that you might be opining about the discussion as a whole in our culture.
Let me ask you this, Are not people who point the finger at "a cultural tradition of religious taboo", being as much of an ideologue, as the folks they are pointing at?
I see much "fervor" on both sides of the discussion. Perhaps politics and religion are easily conflated when the discussions become passionate?
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Step 1: Sleek gets a dvr. Problem solved (for Sleek)
Step 2: We all go back to making bows and/or cool primitive utensils/tools
Step 3: Who wants to get a beer? : )
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Tv is not a big deals after all people and kids dont drive down the road watching the flat screens. Its the Internet, yes its good for some things but the problem is most people spend so much time on their smart phones.
Last Summer I was in many places at once so to speak I can tell the difference between locals and tourists and noticed an interesting thing hardly any locals were out and about during the glorious days of Summer.
Why.?? becasue they are glued to the freaking screen. Young people dont even know how to communicate anymore. The less time I spend online the better off I am. Try to keep busy if not then I read a real book and not an E-reader.
My religion is Mother Earth. :)
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To be clear any mention of either politics and religion is to clarify the point being they are different from the topic of life choices or how you were born.
Anyway, my rant is over. I have said all I care to say one way or the other. No hard feelings towards anyone who commented and I appreciate the mods letting this carry its course. Im out.
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Hmm, Willie I'm slightly confused. I don't believe I pointed any fingers, there was no rebuke or implication of wrongdoing etc., I just pointed out what I find in my objective, non-passionate analysis to be the facts. From a historical and cultural standpoint there does not appear to be any objective moral taboo against homosexuality that does not originate in religious traditions, mostly of the abrahamic variety. That's not a rebuke, that's just my analysis of the facts.
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Well this has most certainly tuned out to be one heck of a rant.
As to TV, did away with that several years ago and went to downloading shows I really want to see, those seem to be getting fewer and farther between.
As to the rest of it. Things seem to be respectful so lets keep it that way so we don't have to shut it down
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Urufu
My last post was a bit confusing, and I apologize for my poor grammar.
To clarify, The finger pointers are of course the other tango dancers that seem to so passionately engage the religious folks with their "political" fervors, in the public discourse.
willie
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I was concerned about the direction this "rant" would go when it first came out. Religion and politics are at the top of the "do not do" list for a reason. I personally don't like any of it and don't think it has a place here on PA.
I can appreciate Sleek's initial "rant" and agree with him even though I don't have kids living at home. Not only are TV commercials getting more ridiculous but they are taking more time from the shows. When I was growing up TV was free and we accepted the ads as part of it as a way to pay for the TV shows. When pay TV came about it was said it would eliminate the need for ads but we see where that has gone. Look what you pay now to have TV. Seems we should have a say so as to what ads are acceptable and when certain ads should be shown. Nothing like a constipation or male performance problems ad while trying to eat supper.
Please keep this civil folks.
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I was concerned about the direction this "rant" would go when it first came out. Religion and politics are at the top of the "do not do" list for a reason.
Please keep this civil folks.
I'm personally quite impressed at the level of maturity that has been displayed in this thread.
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There in my way of thinking as men that love the same sport not to be able to get along.
It is good to disagree agreeably and still work together. It makes us men.
What ever happened to men like John Wayne and Fess Parker ?
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John Wayne and Fess Parker? They're dead. Oh, yea, don't forget about Rock Hudson, either. Bet you old timers thought he was Manly, too. This whole conversation could have been discussed with a simple, "I don't like homosexual commercials", without religion ever being mentioned.
People in the US tend to forget this is an International Forum and not everyone agrees with how people in the US think. Lot's of different religions out there and some of you might have been at hunt camp with Homosexuals that have been afraid to tell you because of your personal views, maybe a brother or sister, too.
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Joe, it has been civil so far but I've been a part of PA long enough and I know where these conversations will generally end up. I didn't put a stop to it and I only gave my perspective as everyone else has...but if it does go south I do hold the ax!
Spotted Dog, didn't those guys shoot the people they didn't agree with.
I don't think being a man has much to do with it. Either a person is respectful or not, male or female.
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Well that was a fun read while eating dinner!
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I never watch commercials. I DVR shows that I want to watch, mostly crime dramas and outdoor related stuff. I watch them later and skip all the adds. I wish there was a way to do a pay per channel option with satellite TV. I only watch about 8 channels but I pay for over 100.
No comment on religion or other topics discussed on this thread :-X
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Pat the reason I mentioned John and Fess is to go back to the original reason for the thread. It was safe as a boy to watch for me.
I never liked Hudson. I did not want to go here but. There is always a but. My younger brother died one day before his thirtieth
birthday. He died of aids . All his buddies have too. I did not like having my 3 sons around them when they were little.
As a father and grandfather I look out for what they did and what my grandchildren see. I can't always but will do my best to.
I would not let my sons watch Saving Private Ryan when it was out. It was hard for me. Blood and guts is not the reason.
My 93 year old dad landed on that beach. When I started watching it I turned it off and went outside and cried knowing my
dad lived through that hell.
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Spotted Dog, it wasn't Pat that brought up Fess and the boys, it was me. I didn't want to go there either, my younger brother overdosed a few years ago with depression, alcoholism and hiding his life of being gay with a few in the family having nothing to do with him. Like I said, Religion had nothing to do with this thread till someone brought it up to make themselves feel good about their faith and to make a statement.
And, like I said above; you never really know who you are sitting next to around a campfire, everyone deserves respect.
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I'm sorry for your loss, Spotted Dog.
Clint, I wish the did have pay for what you watch. Like you we pay for lots of TV we don't watch and we have the cheapest plan available. Actually, we had this plan for so long they don't offer it anymore and still 90% of what's on it we don't watch. Thank goodness for Netflix.
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We can't do netflix Pat. We live in the backwoods and can't get high speed internet. We have to get a verizon hot spot to get service. We have a limited data amount. We can't watch any videos.
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You can get Netflix movie and TV show discs delivered by mail. They send another when you send that one back.
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Interesting thread, no need for me to comment most that know me know how I feel about all of this. Eddie, respect, live and let live a big YES, agreed with and want me to say it is right NO.I Agree TV stinks pretty bad, I just love the adds at supper time. Miss Joanie and I laugh ever time we see it, she says if I have a problem for 4 hours I will need more than a doctor, I will need a undertaker. ??? ::) ;) :)
Pappy
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We haven't had cable, satellite or even a simple antennae for over 7 years. We don't even stream internet. We watch DVD movies. We get them in the $5 dollar bin, rummage sales or pawn shops for a couple bucks. Or, we'll rent a movie if there's something new out the really interests us. Yep, there are a few shows that we miss, but most of them are also available in DVD.
We couldn't change what is put on TV, so we eliminated it.
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We haven't had cable, satellite or even a simple antennae for over 7 years. We don't even stream internet. We watch DVD movies. We get them in the $5 dollar bin, rummage sales or pawn shops for a couple bucks. Or, we'll rent a movie if there's something new out the really interests us. Yep, there are a few shows that we miss, but most of them are also available in DVD.
We couldn't change what is put on TV, so we eliminated it.
That's a good way to do it. I used to be the same way, at one point I had something like 700 dvds (full tv series and movies) so I basically just had my own tv channel and would play what I want when I wanted.
Eventually Netflix replaced the need for that though, but it serves the same purpose. I think I only typically watch commercials during the superbowl. Everything else is usually watched a year later on Netflix/Amazon Prime
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I never watch commercials. I DVR shows that I want to watch, mostly crime dramas and outdoor related stuff. I watch them later and skip all the adds. I wish there was a way to do a pay per channel option with satellite TV. I only watch about 8 channels but I pay for over 100.
No comment on religion or other topics discussed on this thread :-X
Play station just launched a pay per channel option. I am leaning hard that direction as well. I just don't need all those home shopping channels.
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I never watch commercials. I DVR shows that I want to watch, mostly crime dramas and outdoor related stuff. I watch them later and skip all the adds. I wish there was a way to do a pay per channel option with satellite TV. I only watch about 8 channels but I pay for over 100.
No comment on religion or other topics discussed on this thread :-X
Play station just launched a pay per channel option. I am leaning hard that direction as well. I just don't need all those home shopping channels.
I didn't know about this! I just cut the cord and went to internet only with Uverse because we weren't watching much TV but this would be great for getting CW back so I can watch "Arrow" : )
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I've gone the other way, all my video entertainment is streamed from the internet, either folks I enjoy watching on youtube, or shows on netflix, or stuff I just "download". No commercials, no problems. About the only thing I watch on broadcast TV are sports and Walking Dead because I just can't wait till the next day, someone at the office would have spoiled it on Monday, lol.
I stopped watching TWD when it went PC a few months back. TV is good for being thrown out the window for the most part. Having the power to watch indie stuff on Youtube or better yet, having your own channel to make TV is best.
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I have to say, color me impressed with the civility of the members here with all sides being discussed.
Personally, I loathe commercials more because of the pushing of "buy our cheap crap! YOU NEED THESE (pharmaceuticals/clothing trend/vehicles/food/drink/politicians) to keep up with the neighbors and to live a happy life!" Nooooo thanks.
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Thats why this is the best forum around ranasp
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I didnt realize how religious folks were about their tv. Perhaps we should add that to the no talk list.
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^Ha!!
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I had dish network, and got tired of paying for a gazillion sports channels, none of which were outdoor sports, and for other shows I did not watch. So I called and told the woman, that I do not watch sports channels, except for the outdoor sports, like hunting and fishing. And then I said could I trade back all of the sports channels, and the other programs, I don't watch, and get the outdoor channel, the science channel, food channel, hbo, and history channel? She said sure, we can upgrade you, and I said wait a minute, I wasn't talking upgrading, you weren't listening. Does the upgrade have sports channels? Oh yes, she said, you get all the baseball, foot ball, and..... I said see you weren't listening to me. I said I do not watch those channels. I don't want them, and I am paying for them. So can I just give you back all of those sports channels, and other channels I don't watch, for the few that I do watch? She said " Well does anyone else offer that?" I said why be a follower, why not be a leader. Give the customer the choice, to pick and choose, what they want to watch. You can still do the package bit, with this many to choose from, in the this package, and this many from this package, etc. Why force them to pay extra for the programs they want to watch, but include programs they don't watch. She said well no one else is doing that. I said again, why be a follower, try being a leader, don't wait for some else to come up with a good idea, and then try to follow, lead! I asked her if she liked a really good steak? She said oh yes I do. I said what if every time you went to your favorite steak place, and you order your favorite steak, it came with a big glob of Rutabagas? She said I hate rutabagas, I wouldn't eat them. I said but you are paying for them, even though you don't like them. She said well I wouldn't eat there. I said me neither, come get your box. I haven't had a TV since. I have been thinking of getting one, and getting a computer rig called simply TV. It is a one time price, you get the box, and hook it to your computer, and it has almost all of the stuff offered by dish, cable, etc. And there is no monthly fee, it is a one time payment. They will notify you of upgrades, and advancements, etc. But for now, I just watch my cowboy TV out my dining room window, which only has the nature channel on it. Deer, turkeys, bear, mountain lions, ground squirrels, sparrows, chickadees, red eared squirrels, Stellars' Jay, etc.
Wayne
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Its all part of the deterioration of our fabric. It started around 1980 and has manifested into an unstoppable force. Don't wait for the country to change as it cant ever be the same as it was, change your own family and hope the rest catch on.
Did you know in the 70's over 70% of American houses belonged to a wed couple? Its around 17% now. Did you know at that same time only about 20% of the births were out of wedlock? Its about 4x that now. Christianity, buy in or not, started those old values and it to is dying fast in our country. Spooky times just ahead my friends.
Religion has little to do with it.....Women leaving the home in search of the same equality as men has left children at home, with TV or daycare to raise them. (I HOPE NOT TO RUFFLE FEATHERS) Not saying women should not be able to make a income, but to have to choose a career vs. your kids has led us to this point in my opinion. All you have to do is look back at when the "Majority"of problems began, if your not blind you will see the correlation. No parents around is a sure way to trouble, and even those that do have full time dedicated parents will always have to compete with the attitudes of other children outside their home, that can drag a "good kid"down the wrong road. I live this, and have seen it more times than I care to count.
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Uh, oh!
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I am sure there are many correlations and reasons, materialism agreeably is one to be made there.. I am guessing you don't like to let sleeping dogs lie yah? Lol
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"Wanting" to work is one way of putting it, Needing to is quite a different story. The average home price in the city I live in is $240,000 (My House was $210,000). There is not a very good chance that a single working adult could afford that home, along with a vehicle and utilities. Sandy is a pretty cheap place to live. The neighboring cities are $365,000, $420,000, $229,900 and $323,000. I grew up is South Jordan, my parents bought their home for $53,000 in 85, that city was all farmland, now the average home value is $365,000. I have been at my current job under a year, but have been in the same field for 12. I make about $20 an hour. My parents both worked because they had to, to make ends meet. I was a latch key kid, and only from the lessons of my Grand Parents, did I learn about hard work and about doing the right thing. I did run with the wrong crowd, and I could have ended up going down the wrong path.
Religion really does have little to do with it. I know religious people who are jerks, just like I know non religious people who are. One doesn't necessarily go with the other. Now, can't we post some pictures of bows? I would but I have been super lazy, and working on a gnarly stave.
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Wheew!
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We pause now for a few moments for a cool breeze break. Be sure to visit your closest refrigerator, and get some healthy, or not so healthy snacks. I just had a bacon, spinach, kale, Swiss chard, and tomato, sandwich, with salt and pepper, basil, a dash of Cajun seasoning, and a nice cup of hot tea. OK, now back to our regular scheduled rant. I will wait to give my rant on the lunacy of the Montana game fish, wildlife, and parks commission. I will just leave a tid bit of how I feel about them. It is my honest opinion, they are the most imbecilic, inbred, bunch of alimentary canal exits, that ever set foot on earth. With that, I will leave the forum open for the next rants, and then I might put forth, the reasoning behind my opinion of said state commission.
Wayne
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I always pictured everyone on here being tolerant and open minded. ???
Personally I don't have a TV but I'm not sure how much you can really protect your kid just by monitoring the TV. Nor are you going to have any impact on their sexual orientation by that or any other method.
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Pat with the wide variety of members from all over the world you will get all levels of tolerance
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Oh I know that but it's the people who I thought would be tolerant that surprised me.
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WOW, still going. ??? PatM I am a very tolerant person, but not very open minded at all, I don't really care what you or others do or think as long as it doesn't effect me or my family, but I do know what I think is right and wrong and not much could be said to change my mind, so open minded I am not. ;) :) :)
Pappy
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WOW, still going. ??? PatM I am a very tolerant person, but not very open minded at all, I don't really care what you or others do or think as long as it doesn't effect me or my family, but I do know what I think is right and wrong and not much could be said to change my mind, so open minded I am not. ;) :) :)
Pappy
Thats a very good way of putting the distiction in words, Pappy. Tolerance of an idea and embracing an idea are not the same thing.
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I didn't read all the comments because they started going South a little bit, but no network TV for me. I watch "Naked and Afraid" on my lunch break at work and that's enough for my whole day. I can't stand it for the same reasons. The commercials are ridiculous and the shows are nothing but smut garbage to rot your brain and keep us occupied in our tiny little self absorbed universes. Entertain us... and we're less likely to pay any attention to the bigger problems at hand. I feel the same way about big sports - nothing but distraction on a massive scale. No thanks.
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It's hard to be tolerant without being open minded. ;)
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Awww, it's caught a second breath.
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I turned my idiot box completely off four years ago. Homosexuality is an unnatural sexual deviation. I do care care what others do in the world, regardless of whether it affects me and my family or not, because the world and morality don't revolve around me and my own personal views, and immorality/scandalous behavior always affect someone. There is only one truth fellas, sorry. That truth exists regardless of how any individual might "feel". How's that for PC? ;)
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Well, you're entitled to that view but it's technically incorrect. Homosexuality appears in pair bonding animals in nature at about the same rates as it does in humans, so the whole "unnatural" thing is just not true.
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I turned my idiot box completely off four years ago. Homosexuality is an unnatural sexual deviation. I do care care what others do in the world, regardless of whether it affects me and my family or not, because the world and morality don't revolve around me and my own personal views, and immorality/scandalous behavior always affect someone. There is only one truth fellas, sorry. That truth exists regardless of how any individual might "feel". How's that for PC? ;)
Ever see a video of our closest relatives, the Bonobo? Or a herd of bachelor sheep? ;D
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm not an animal, I was made in the likeness of God. So I guess I'll rephrase. Two dudes kissin is a deveation from the divine image we were created in. I tried to avoid it, in order to comply with the board rules, but there it is. In all fairness, sex and sex in media is out of control, whether it be hetero, homo, bi, or any flavor that a given perverse mind might dream up. TV RIP.
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Ugh...this still has breath? ::)
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This can go nowhere but downhill. Folks please....PLEASE let this thread die the ignoble death it deserves. Josh
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If it doesn't die on it's own, I'll kill it! >:(
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Please do Pat,
it is disappointing to see some of the comments made here.
Kevin