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Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: iowabow on December 13, 2015, 09:32:28 am

Title: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: iowabow on December 13, 2015, 09:32:28 am
Some pictures from the St Louis collect. I thought folks might find them useful. I have detailed pictures also of you want to see more.
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: iowabow on December 13, 2015, 09:35:50 am
More  last is a parfleche
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: iowabow on December 13, 2015, 09:40:25 am
War shirt if I remember right.
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: Outbackbob48 on December 13, 2015, 10:00:37 am
Wow very nice leatherworks, Just getting ready to go to shed an remove grain from 3 deer hides I have soaking. Need to keep the image of the war shirt in my head while working my hides ;D Bob
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: iowabow on December 13, 2015, 10:18:19 am
Bob I have tried that wet method and I am not good at it. Wish I could watch it in person.
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: Badly Bent on December 13, 2015, 10:31:31 am
Beautiful items in those pics, by all means post more photos if you have 'em. I would like to be able to do beadwork but not sure I have the patience required for the time it takes to create something that well done. Always enjoy looking at it though.
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: iowabow on December 13, 2015, 10:41:55 am
Beadman should post pictures of his work it is amazing.
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: iowabow on December 13, 2015, 10:43:13 am
Close up of parfleche
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: iowabow on December 13, 2015, 10:45:47 am
More
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: BowEd on December 13, 2015, 11:50:33 am
Coooooool!!!!!!!Love the geometric patterns and choice of colors!!!!!!Have you ever looked at Columbia,Missouris' collection?I've been meaning to sometime.They say it's pretty good.
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: iowabow on December 13, 2015, 11:58:11 am
Coooooool!!!!!!!Love the geometric patterns and choice of colors!!!!!!Have you ever looked at Columbia,Missouris' collection?I've been meaning to sometime.They say it's pretty good.
Ed you need to post your art
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: Ruddy Darter on December 13, 2015, 12:11:04 pm
Stunning, awesome war shirt  8)


   Ruddy Darter.
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: Pat B on December 13, 2015, 01:10:50 pm
Thanks John. Always love looking at this stuff.
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: tipi stuff on December 13, 2015, 06:33:56 pm
Very nice pieces! Super nice Cheyenne pipe bag! The moccs with the cross look to be Cheyenne also. The women's moccs/ boots are probably Comanche, but could also be Kiowa. Thanks for the Picts. Curtis
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: riverrat on December 13, 2015, 07:20:20 pm
really nice!
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: mullet on December 13, 2015, 08:58:05 pm
Amazing bead work! Thanks, John.
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: chamookman on December 14, 2015, 04:45:23 am
Thanks for posting ! Bob
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: Ranasp on December 14, 2015, 04:05:26 pm
I laugh at myself because I'm torn between analyzing the leatherwork/beadwork and the system used for displaying them!  Funny how often my day job seeps into everything.
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: iowabow on December 14, 2015, 04:07:48 pm
I laugh at myself because I'm torn between analyzing the leatherwork/beadwork and the system used for displaying them!  Funny how often my day job seeps into everything.
it may be a bit off topic but could you talk about how they were displayed?
Title: Re: leather and raw hide artifacts from St Louis
Post by: Ranasp on December 14, 2015, 04:14:02 pm
Well from what I can see in the pictures, it looks like they have some sort of internal support (especially the quivers and boots, else they'd collapse on themselves), very likely acrylic since that's fairly easy to get cut/shaped and is pretty inert.  I see on the quivers there's a hook at the top, and I imagine that the internal support is simply hooked onto it.  I see on at least one picture there's support on the bottom of the artifacts, not sure I like how much they stand out (I probably would have tried covering them with fabric close in color, or painting them). 

The alternative to all the hooks and things would have been to glue them down (not archival and a big no-no in framing) or to sew them down, which again is frowned upon if you're punching new holes into the material.  If they were simply sewn down they wouldn't have the volume that they show in those pictures though. 

As for the background, it's a bit strong but at least it's a contrasting color and they may have had a reason for going with it that's not readily apparent to me. 

I frame stuff for a living, can you tell?  ;)