Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: Thunder on November 27, 2015, 11:46:46 pm
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Finished up a new set a while back and hadn't posted any pics.
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Tonkin Cane with Yaupon Holly foreshafts
29 1/2" to the back of the point
Points (75 grains) knapped by Tower (Thanks Don)
475 grain total arrow weight
Spined somewhere around 50#
Turkey and Sandhill Crane fletching
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Very nice ! Bob
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Likey ,likey.Very nice.Have you shot them yet?
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Nice arrows. If you plan to hunt with them you should add more sinew behind the points. I like about an inch or so of wrap to be sure the point is well supported.
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Very clean looking work. 8)
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Very nice looking.
How about that Tonkin, I've heard it's equal to or better than rivercane!
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those are real nice! Tony
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Very nice work, I've been meaning to make a cane/foreshaft arrow for a while now. I know a lot of guys here don't use them but I like how they look.
Do you have any method to determine the length of foreshaft or is it by overall measurement of the arrow?
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Fine looking set of arrows.
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Likey ,likey.Very nice.Have you shot them yet?
Thanks, yes I've shot them many times Beadman. I have extra inserts with field points and a couple with knapped points that match in length and weight. I'll post pics later
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Nice arrows. If you plan to hunt with them you should add more sinew behind the points. I like about an inch or so of wrap to be sure the point is well supported.
Thanks Pat, I know it doesn't look like it but there's about 3/4" of sinew wrapped behind the point. Probably used 8-10" of length, I pull it tight and smooth it down with my thumb nail, it dries almost transparent. The foreshaft is heat tempered Yaupon Holly, it's pretty dang tough. I'll post my wifes arrows that have Yaupon Holly inserts as points.
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Very nice looking.
How about that Tonkin, I've heard it's equal to or better than rivercane!
Tonkin is awesome but I can't compare it to Rivercane cause I've never used it.
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Very nice work, I've been meaning to make a cane/foreshaft arrow for a while now. I know a lot of guys here don't use them but I like how they look.
Do you have any method to determine the length of foreshaft or is it by overall measurement of the arrow?
Thanks turbo, I like the way shafted arrows look as well.
Yes I do, sort of....I draw 25 1/2" and I leave the shaft 26 1/2". I have foreshafts with 100 grain field points (they're somewhat interchangeable) premade at 2" and 3 1/2" . I use 100 gr because thats about the average knapped point weight I use. Shoot and make point weight adjustments until they shoot how you like. I've made quite a few so I'm probably doing a few things without thinking about it. I'll try to post some pics of the foreshafts and tools I use later. Im probably making it sound more difficult than it really is. :o
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excellent work, as always, man.
Your arrow making skills plus Tower's points equates to a deadly combination.
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Nice looking arrows Thunder......
DBar
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Great hunting arrows. If I had your skill I would hunt with them also. beautiful and deadly, I am sure.
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Very nice set of arrows,good looing work. :)
Pappy
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Oh man I like the looks of those arrows. Very nicely crafted set of arrows Thunder and Don's points look killer on them.
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Great looking set! Those close-up pix are a big help for those of us who are still learning to work with cane.
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Here's a few close ups of the interchangeable target/practice points.
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This is a pic with my target points and knapped practice points.
And that's my not so Abo tool for hollowing out the cane. I had one made out of bone but it wouldnt hold an edge. I haven't tried to knap one.
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How do you hold the points in place ???
DBar
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How do you hold the points in place ???
DBar
If you asking about the foreshafts they are pressure fitted. And if you want them to really stay in place, a little saliva on the inserted end (foreshafts finished w/ Tung Oil but not the inserted end) swells the wood and sometimes near impossible to get loose.
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:o WOw very interesting ...... I guess I'm just too modern :-[ :( to understand how that would work...................
DBar
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Awesome
How do you pull the foreshafts out when you want to, then?
How would hide glue work in comparison, softened with heat when one wants to replace? overkill?
Did you get these shafts from that Florida bamboo supplier?
Should one heat straighten a shaft with tung oil finish on it or is dried tung oil too flammable?
Guess I'd like to know how you did the fletchings too... sinew and hide glue and cut to shape after gluing them on the shaft? or burned?
So many questions :o
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Awesome
How do you pull the foreshafts out when you want to, then?
How would hide glue work in comparison, softened with heat when one wants to replace? overkill?
Did you get these shafts from that Florida bamboo supplier?
Should one heat straighten a shaft with tung oil finish on it or is dried tung oil too flammable?
Guess I'd like to know how you did the fletchings too... sinew and hide glue and cut to shape after gluing them on the shaft? or burned?sy
So many questions :o
-The foreshafts come out, it's just not always easy to get them out.
-Hide glue would work just fine, I just didn't glue these in.
-These shafts are tomato stakes from the hardware store.
-Not sure about straightening tung oil finished shafts, I've never tried that, I don't put a finish on cane shafts, only the insert
-The fletchings are from birds harvested last year and I split and sand them myself. Sinew and hide glue on both ends of the fletchings (a thin layer of tb 3 after they're dry), I used modern glue (fletch tite) to put them on the shaft. Sometimes I only use the sinew and hide glue wraps to keep them on. I trim them down with scissors after I put them down
-I'll post some other sets of arrows soon.
-I'm always ready to try and answer questions
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very nice arrow and super cool points
I like alot the foreshaft concept even if require more work
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Great looking set, foresharts always take quite a bit more time, but are worth it in my opinion. Well done thunder.
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Beautiful work! I've haven't been able to get a bone drill bit bite and last, either, when drilling out sockets for foreshafts. (in solid softwood shafts, though).
Tuukka
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I'm curious about those target point foreshafts you have.
How long are they?
Have you had any trouble with the foreshaft staying in the target when you pull the arrow out?
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Here's a pic of the foreshaft length, this length seems to be a good starting point for me.
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Yeah, the foreshafts will stay in a foam target if they're not glued in. I use a box filled with rags to practice shooting foreshafted arrows.
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Those look pretty nice, Thunder. I'm definitely gonna have to make some more bamboo arrows, but with some foreshafts.
How did you carve the ends of the foreshafts? They look perfect.
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Thanks, I cut shoots about 1/2" in diameter and 6-8" in length. I sand them down by hand to the diameter I need. I put a final sanding with steel wool and finish them with Tung Oil.