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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: poplar600 on November 23, 2015, 09:17:15 pm

Title: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: poplar600 on November 23, 2015, 09:17:15 pm
Which would you prefer? Linen or silk to back a yew ELB? Hear linen doesn't stretch too good, and puts a lot of work onto the belly.

I have a 1/4 inch sap back, but adding a backing for safety as it's going to be between 80-90lb.

 :)

Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: bownarra on November 24, 2015, 03:36:25 am
And it looks a bit rough and ready....silk will look much better.
Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: WillS on November 24, 2015, 04:22:03 am
You have 1/4" of good sapwood, and you're going to add a backing for a light bow?  Why? 

Why bother, when less than 1/8" of sapwood can support 75" long bows over 160lb?  Is the sapwood rotten or damaged?
Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: Del the cat on November 24, 2015, 04:34:14 am
+1
IMO. No need to back unless the sap wood has really severe problems, like BIG knots through it, rot or cracks/shakes.
Even then a Yew sapwood patch will generally make a good fix.
If you really want to back it, just go with what you have readily available.
Del
Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: poplar600 on November 24, 2015, 10:54:20 am
+1
IMO. No need to back unless the sap wood has really severe problems, like BIG knots through it, rot or cracks/shakes.
Even then a Yew sapwood patch will generally make a good fix.
If you really want to back it, just go with what you have readily available.
Del

The yew is low rpi, and I have violated growth rings along the back. I had to get the sap down to a reasonable thickness and wasn't able to shoot for a single ring. Sorted out as much as I can, but still quite a few violations here and there.
Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: WillS on November 24, 2015, 11:03:01 am
You won't need to back it.  Yew can withstand violations up to pretty severe levels.  The MR bows all have violated sapwood rings all over the place, and they're a damn sight heavier (and shorter) than what you're making.

This is over 100lb at 32", and is only 75" long.  No need for backing even with splits like this running all the way through the bow from back to belly, including right through a set of pin knots. 

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb363/Will_Sherman/12202575_10153626110246427_1508429063_n_zpsochpltav.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Will_Sherman/media/12202575_10153626110246427_1508429063_n_zpsochpltav.jpg.html)

Be brave!
Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: poplar600 on November 24, 2015, 11:07:32 am
Yes, that is what mine looks like. Pins and violations everywhere.
Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: WillS on November 24, 2015, 12:33:58 pm
Sometimes you have to do that to yew.  It's not recommended, but if you need to then it's not usually a problem.  Certainly doesn't need to be backed with anything else.
Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: poplar600 on November 24, 2015, 05:12:32 pm
In some places the back is violated around 3 rings deep. In other places it is feathered.

I've left lots of extra wood around knots and pins. My only concern is that this yew is low rpi, so the rings are a bit more pronounced. Easy enough to chase, I just made mistakes when taking it all down in go with a rasp. Some areas are chased, other areas can't be chased due to running out of sapwood.
Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: Hamish on November 24, 2015, 06:21:28 pm
If you are going to back it at least use rawhide. It will look a hell of a lot better and will give better protection than linen or silk.
Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: PatM on November 24, 2015, 06:26:47 pm
Rawhide is a much better choice for ease of application and it's a good match for the wood.
Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: poplar600 on November 24, 2015, 08:02:27 pm
If you don't need to chase a growth ring on yew, then I may not back it.
Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: Sparky Buckwheat on November 27, 2015, 01:15:45 pm
If you had to back it, use a clear silk noil with epoxy ( I use G2 from system three). The silk turns clear. However, yew sapwood is very capable of handling growth ring violations. I have a yew stave that has a violation right through the sapwood layer due to a pin knot near the tip and it has shot hundreds of arrows without a problem! I would leave it as is. Good luck with your bow!
Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: DC on November 27, 2015, 07:21:31 pm
In some places the back is violated around 3 rings deep. In other places it is feathered.

I would feather those areas
Title: Re: Linen vs silk for yew
Post by: bradsmith2010 on November 27, 2015, 07:59:37 pm
if you want to back it.. it wont hurt it :)