Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: JoJoDapyro on November 10, 2015, 06:58:09 pm
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Why is it that out west we score deer as a 4 point, or a 4X5, where as the midwest, east and south count all the points? I have wondered this for quite some time.
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Good question. Its probably for the same reason you have coulies, we have gullies and out east they have holler's. Lol!
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Want a cold soda or a cold pop?
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What does my cryogenically frozen grand pa have to do with this?
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So it sounds like it's bigger. Which sounds better "I just shot a massive 12 pointer" or " hey I just shoot a huge 6 pointer"! You decide.
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So it sounds like it's bigger. Which sounds better "I just shot a massive 12 pointer" or " hey I just shoot a huge 6 pointer"! You decide.
That makes sense. Joe have you ever seen the over-sized rats they call deer in Texas? Compared to the mule deer in Utah, they look like a dwarf species. Mangy too. You need to do everything you can to make them sound bigger (no offense Texas) O:)
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Hey josh we call them gullys here too, of course my dad is from Missouri that might have something to do with it
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Creek versus crick.
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Well, a creek usually runs in a gully, where as a crick lives down in tha holler....
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So it sounds like it's bigger. Which sounds better "I just shot a massive 12 pointer" or " hey I just shoot a huge 6 pointer"! You decide.
that 6pt was probably a 5pt with eye guards. LOL
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Most of the deer down here don't have enough horn to just count one side.
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If you catch or shot it it's yours. :o
Give it a name that will make that creature proud. 8)
No.no son that's not a sunny, it's a Tuna >:D
Zuma
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I didn't know the eye guards did t count over in the west cost, I just count em all up and that's about the size of it.
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Creek versus crick.
I go with the rule of, if it doesn't have a car in it, it is a creek.
Good question. Its probably for the same reason you have coulies, we have gullies and out east they have holler's. Lol!
Gully here as well. Utah does have a very interesting way of speech. The long time locals are quite interesting to listen to. Carn (corn), Harses (Horses), Mounun (Mountain). The last actually has a youtube video about it.
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A holler is much bigger than gully. A gully is a small cut out where a small creek or branch is. I know what a coozy is but not a coulie. I coozy keeps your canned beverage insulated.
Now that that is settled.... They just count one side at a time out west because they only have five fingers on one hand and they need other hand to point at which finger they are counting. Here in the South we have whats known as southern hospitality. We get a buddy to let us borrow his other hand so we can count all the points at once. Up north they have higher edumacation so they count em all to look smart.
But seriously, are you not supposed to count the eye guards on a mule deer?
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A holler is much bigger than gully. A gully is a small cut out where a small creek or branch is. I know what a coozy is but not a coulie. I coozy keeps your canned beverage insulated.
Now that that is settled.... They just count one side at a time out west because they only have five fingers on one hand and they need other hand to point at which finger they are counting. Here in the South we have whats known as southern hospitality. We get a buddy to let us borrow his other hand so we can count all the points at once. Up north they have higher edumacation so they count em all to look smart.
But seriously, are you not supposed to count the eye guards on a mule deer?
Nope, they are eye guards. >:D
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I think eastern count they count the eye guards, we don't. We have spikes can't shoot them, sporks thats a spike on one side fork horn on the other, then three point, four point and on and on you get the drift, it don't matter how you count them ya can't eat horns
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I think eastern count they count the eye guards, we don't. We have spikes can't shoot them, sporks thats a spike on one side fork horn on the other, then three point, four point and on and on you get the drift, it don't matter how you count them ya can't eat horns
Amen to that.
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Here in Alabama we count everything longer than an inch. Some folks count every little bump ::). I have a mainframe 8pt with a character point on both of his G2s. I call him a 10 pt. Sounds a heck of a lot better than a 3pt.
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I go with the rule of, if it doesn't have a car in it, it is a creek.
I just spit my coffee all over my keyboard!!
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Some people out here, just count the space between the points. I's from the South, I count em all! If it is at least an inch, it gets counted. They call a young four point, a basket buck. A coulie, is a gulley, or to me a big ditch. Some things, I still have a problem learning what they are, but it is slowly sinking in. like arroyo. Anywho, I always wondered the same thing, why is the numbering system different. I think Utah people call mountains mounans,because if you ever flew over those mountains, you would wonder how in the heck did the pioneers, or NA's ever get over them, or through them I think, if you spent the time on foot, or horseback, that it would take to cross those things, you might talk a little funny afterward. "Hey, Josiah, Whar ya been?" "Oer dem moununs. Ran outta carn. Now ah needs a new harse."
Wayne
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Im more concerned about the quality and quantity of meat that will come off an animal.I only count the points,to verify legality and to tell someone if they ask,otherwise i dont concern myself much with it. :)
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This is why you only count the points on one side of a mule deer.
And for what it is worth, growing up, I never understood why crick was spelled with two "e"s
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I trap Muskrats in the Creek and sometimes I get a Crick in My Neck O:) ;). Bob
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Here's another version of dips,hollers,and gulleys.A low swag.It's regional.....lol.They even say feesh instead of fish.They make fun of my northern Iowa accent all the time.No big deal.I think the scoring system for whitetails asks how many total points right from the start so I guess it puts the description in that type mentallity.
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When you score a mulie do you only score one side?
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When you score a mulie do you only score one side?
Nope, same measurements. It still doesn't answer why. I'm not saying one way is right, and one way is wrong. Pop or soda, Jeans or levis, Sneakers or tennis shoes. Beanie or stocking cap. Lots of interesting variations of speech in one country, hell sometimes in one state.
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Your coullies & gullies are called draws in the Tx Hill Country's lingo.
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Your coullies & gullies are called draws in the Tx Hill Country's lingo.
Texas has Hills? :o
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Yes Sir it does. One of Gods Beauties!
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I lived in Texas Hill country for two years. In Utah we have a different word for Texas hills--Flatland >:D.
Texas does have the best brisket anywhere, though.
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I lived in Texas Hill country for two years. In Utah we have a different word for Texas hills--Flatland >:D.
Texas does have the best brisket anywhere, though.
I consider myself a true afficianado of barbecue in all of it's glorious forms and manners. Texas brisket stands out from the crowd, mmm-hmm.
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Here in SE Texas we got slews and bayous, and a few creeks. baygauls is a term for lower areas between ridges too.
Here in the last few years it seems that pipelines have become the most common terrain feature we have.
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You know what I love? When a thread goes off topic, and no one cares >:D
I also love brisket. And ribs, and any other meat that has been at least warmed by an open flame.
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You know what I love? When a thread goes off topic, and no one cares >:D
I also love brisket. And ribs, and any other meat that has been at least warmed by an open flame.
If you think of the original question of why this is called one thing in one area and another name in another area, comparing relative qualities of regional barbecue styles is parallel and quite close to the original track.
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You know what I love? When a thread goes off topic, and no one cares >:D
I also love brisket. And ribs, and any other meat that has been at least warmed by an open flame.
If you think of the original question of why this is called one thing in one area and another name in another area, comparing relative qualities of regional barbecue styles is parallel and quite close to the original track.
I bet the Kansas City guys and the Texas guys and the Memphis guys would have something to say about that. >:D
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Oh, I flat love it when folks start argueing over who makes better barbecue. I just egg them on, buy them more adult beverages, stoking the fires. When the time is right, I offer my backyard for a contest. I will provide some side dishes and they gotta show and tell!
To quote Charlie Sheen, "WINNING!
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Anyone want a barbeque contest? You can use my house. I'll bring the cold ones!
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It's all fun and flames until the Mongolians show up....
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It's all fun and flames until the Mongolians show up....
All are welcome. All meats, I am not afraid. Heat is good, Until I can't breath. >:D
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We have springs that go into branches that go into creeks that go into rivers that go into the oceans , gully's are a wash out and hollows are sort of low point of rolling hills, also lot's here say button buck instead of fawn, or yearling doe instead of doe fawn WHY because it sounds better. ;) ;D ;D Back on subject, not sure the answer but here in TN. we count them all if they are over and inch and longer that they are wide at the beam, by the way we call eye guards brow tines and yes we count them also. ;)
Pappy
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Don't have to worry about the horns till the time comes anyway.Shoot does if your state allows it.They're awful good eating and their hide is just right for clothes or leather projects.