Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: ccase39 on October 27, 2015, 08:49:08 pm
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What is a selfbow by definition? I have seen it thrown around and generalized a lot to describe anything from board bows to stave bows. What exactly makes a selfbow a selfbow?
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A bow made of a single pc of wood and on a board you can ad a pc in the grip area
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A bow made from a single piece of wood that relies on nothing but its self to make a bow. No backing, no laminates.
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I include a spliced bow. For all intents and purposes it's still just a piece of wood.
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I include a spliced bow. For all intents and purposes it's still just a piece of wood.
Pat, that fits the classic definition. It's the limbs that have to be of only one material. (In the days when there were steel bows, those were also considered self bows, because they were or the "self-same" material throughout the limbs.) For us, yes, it's wood we are thinking of.
Backed bows are just that. Laminated bows are that. Self bows are just one thing in the limbs. This all comes from the now-obsolete but formerly common use of the word self to mean "same." The term still seems to fit our purpose.
End of language history blurb.
Jim
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Jim, would a Bear 76er technically be a selfbow then as it has only a solid piece of FG in the limbs? Or would the definition also include no post industrial materials?
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Jim, would a Bear 76er technically be a selfbow then as it has only a solid piece of FG in the limbs? Or would the definition also include no post industrial materials?
For pities sake NO :o
It's NOT a piece of WOOD is it? It's not even just 2 pieces of WOOD is it?..
It has a lump of FG (spits on floor) in it.
Pull yourself together!
WOOD is the stuff that you cut from a tree FG is a bunch of modern cr4p that doesn't belong anywhere near a traditional bow.
Geddit? WOOD WOOD nothing but WOOD and even then the same wood.
It's like claiming a gin and tonic is non alcoholic because of the tonic and the lemon ::)
Del (slaps furry head with paw)
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Del you make me laugh. Thanks.
My ultimate faux selfbow would be from a large lemonwood board stave. Rip a 3/16" backing strip off the stave, re glue it straight away back onto the belly slat whilst reflexed. If you used Tb3 and lots of clamps the glue line would be invisible unless you used a magnifying glass. Appearance of a self bow, with the performance of a Perry reflexed bow.
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Self backed, nothing added to back to Enhance performance or durability. Get out the pop corn :D Pappy
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A selfbow is a selfbow is a self bow is a selfbow - nothing else :)
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Jim, would a Bear 76er technically be a selfbow then as it has only a solid piece of FG in the limbs? Or would the definition also include no post industrial materials?
For pities sake NO :o
It's NOT a piece of WOOD is it? It's not even just 2 pieces of WOOD is it?..
It has a lump of FG (spits on floor) in it.
Pull yourself together!
WOOD is the stuff that you cut from a tree FG is a bunch of modern cr4p that doesn't belong anywhere near a traditional bow.
Geddit? WOOD WOOD nothing but WOOD and even then the same wood.
It's like claiming a gin and tonic is non alcoholic because of the tonic and the lemon ::)
Del (slaps furry head with paw)
Looks like I hooked myself a cat ;D Ya know I was just playing devils advocate, we all know effing-glass has no place on a bow O:)
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Del you make me laugh. Thanks.
My ultimate faux selfbow would be from a large lemonwood board stave. Rip a 3/16" backing strip off the stave, re glue it straight away back onto the belly slat whilst reflexed. If you used Tb3 and lots of clamps the glue line would be invisible unless you used a magnifying glass. Appearance of a self bow, with the performance of a Perry reflexed bow.
By deffinition not a selfbow as it is twp pcs of wood glued together to inhance performance
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But it can be a faux selfbow. ;D
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TO ME, SINGLE STAVE,LIMB OR SAPLEING
No spliceing, no backing.
I GUESS IT BE KIND OF A PERSONAL THING if you add those 2 things.
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Del you make me laugh. Thanks.
My ultimate faux selfbow would be from a large lemonwood board stave. Rip a 3/16" backing strip off the stave, re glue it straight away back onto the belly slat whilst reflexed. If you used Tb3 and lots of clamps the glue line would be invisible unless you used a magnifying glass. Appearance of a self bow, with the performance of a Perry reflexed bow.
By deffinition not a selfbow as it is twp pcs of wood glued together to inhance performance
"Faux" is the key word.
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A bow made all by yourself?
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What's a self arrow? ???
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Same, single shaft with no foreshaft or footing.
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So self on anything means self-same material, made "all of a piece".
Like the difference between a plank countertop and a butcher-block countertop.
Or a dugout log canoe and a birchbark canoe.
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So self on anything means self-same material, made "all of a piece".
Like the difference between a plank countertop and a butcher-block countertop.
Or a dugout log canoe and a birchbark canoe.
Or a self made man and Frankenstein.
fixed ;)
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"A selfbow is a selfbow is a self bow is a selfbow - nothing else" and we have a winner! Tony
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Pop corn almost finished. Is a long River Cain with string on it and a hook considered a self Pole? ;D >:D. That's what my guide in Africa called his Cain pole. Arvin
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I agree. One piece of wood or 2 pieces spiced at the handle.
A self-nock is one piece of wood with a wrapping. If you reinforce the nock you don't have a self-nock you have...wait for it...
a reinforced nock. :)
Jawge
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Isn't wrapping a reinforcement? >:D
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Self bows are made from a single piece of bamboo, or bamboo spliced at the handle. What about those made from an un-backed horn spliced at the center? A more general definition could be "a bow made from a single natural organic material"
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I think a selfbow is a bow made from one piece of wood, period. BUT, we primitive archers being the magnanimous people that we are allow some superior craftsman a little leeway >:D >:D >:D
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PatM, yes, it is. But using one doesn't preclude the nock being a self-nock.
I was talking about a spline (reinforcement) placed with the grain at the nock and the nock cut at right angles to it.
Jawge
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Meh...make it and define it how you want to and have fun. Who cares what someone else thinks it is or isnt. Its just some letters put together open to anyones interpretation/opinion.