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Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: willie on October 16, 2015, 10:53:17 pm

Title: evaporating threads
Post by: willie on October 16, 2015, 10:53:17 pm
saw a thread I was following in the Bow section just disappear today. wooden spring had started a thread about bow design. It went for a few pages and then it was just gone.

Administrative censoring?

Alienated forum member?

Something I overlooked?

Anybody else notice?
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: wizardgoat on October 16, 2015, 11:35:46 pm
Only administrative members or who made the thread can delete it.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: paulsemp on October 16, 2015, 11:46:49 pm
I was part of that discussion and was wondering the same thing. Don't think I insulted anyone or anyone else did. I thought it was a healthy discussion and had misconceptions for beginners on how to build a bow. Personally I thought the first thing that should be talked about is reading grain and dealing with knots. And I think there's not a single formula out there that can help you with those. I thought it should have stayed up as there were starting to become some really good things talked about.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on October 17, 2015, 08:25:42 am
It's crap that an author can delete a thread after its populated. Nobody but mods should make that decision.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: mullet on October 17, 2015, 09:16:30 am
Admin didn't get rid of it. Seem's like the architect didn't like anybody disagreeing with him.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: Marc St Louis on October 17, 2015, 01:19:03 pm
It's crap that an author can delete a thread after its populated. Nobody but mods should make that decision.

That can be changed
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: DC on October 17, 2015, 01:56:36 pm
It's crap that an author can delete a thread after its populated. Nobody but mods should make that decision.

+1. Maybe give a guy a while to take his foot out of his mouth but once it's been up for a spell it should stay. Much as I disagreed with WS's method it was still a method. Lots of people may have been studying it.

Even though I dislike those Polls maybe this is time for one.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: Marc St Louis on October 17, 2015, 02:01:26 pm
An admin can restore a deleted thread as well  ;)

There's only so many options when it comes to member privileges,
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: JacksonCash on October 17, 2015, 02:11:03 pm
I'm assuming this was the thread with all the formulas? I think it was pretty interesting. I like the math behind things. I take that type of information with a 'assuming consistenty of material' when its talking about ideal dimensions and all that. I think it's pretty self evident that the math world generally works better than the real world, and the art involved in bow making, and all things, lies in learning to deal with the imperfections and inconsistancies.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: bowandarrow473 on October 17, 2015, 02:12:14 pm
I always liked listening to others opinions even if I thought they were wrong, even if you disagree with someone's opinion, you can always learn something. But once you present something to the group, you must allow criticism and be ready to defend your position. Just what I think though.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: Knoll on October 17, 2015, 02:49:34 pm
I'm assuming this was the thread with all the formulas? I think it was pretty interesting. I like the math behind things. I take that type of information with a 'assuming consistenty of material' when its talking about ideal dimensions and all that. I think it's pretty self evident that the math world generally works better than the real world, and the art involved in bow making, and all things, lies in learning to deal with the imperfections and inconsistancies.
imo, well said.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: bubby on October 17, 2015, 03:16:43 pm
Yeah noticed it was gone, thought it was a good post evwn if its not how i build bows
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: AndrewS on October 17, 2015, 05:11:35 pm
These formula is was perfect for understanding how a bow works - a friend of mine is construct his  bows only with formulas. He is a engineer and he has the opinion, that there is only one perfect bending for a bow (depending on the usage). So he describes the bending  with his formulas and has a good indicator for the dimensions.

My way is different cause I work with "empirical knowledge".

Both ways produce good bows and I thought it is regrettable to delete this thread.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: Zuma on October 17, 2015, 05:35:40 pm
I would suggest the ability to delete your own thread is a
good idea. Sort of copy rights, patents etc.
If others wish to continue, they can start a new thread of
like subject matter.
I understand the frustration of having replies deleted.
Not sure what went wrong with the thread in question
but should one rotten apple spoil the bunch?
Not saying there even was one in said thread.
Can anyone conceive a legit reason why one may
want to delete their own thread?
What was the original reason for allowing posters to
 delete their own thread?
Lots of questions here.
Zuma
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: JW_Halverson on October 17, 2015, 08:44:16 pm

Can anyone conceive a legit reason why one may
want to delete their own thread?

Zuma

Yes.  I can. 
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: JW_Halverson on October 17, 2015, 08:45:44 pm

Can anyone conceive a legit reason why one may
want to delete their own thread?

Zuma

Yes.  I can.

Aw jeez, I suppose you wanna know, now.  Ok.  I deleted a thread on a trade I was offering.  Kept getting responses after the trade was made.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: Zuma on October 17, 2015, 11:15:48 pm

Can anyone conceive a legit reason why one may
want to delete their own thread?

Zuma

Yes.  I can.

Aw jeez, I suppose you wanna know, now.  Ok.  I deleted a thread on a trade I was offering.  Kept getting responses after the trade was made.
LOL I think your first post could be a record short post for you.
Glad I turned the page.
I  fortunately have not felt the need to delete a thread but
could imagine doing so if I posted a lot of erroneous material that I
thought was good but was not. Something that was to involved to
explain and perhaps to embarrassing.
Zuma
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: TimothyR on October 18, 2015, 12:11:56 am
It's crap that an author can delete a thread after its populated. Nobody but mods should make that decision.

I totally agree. It should stay!
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: Ranasp on October 18, 2015, 01:32:49 pm
Different forums (fora?) have different capabilities, I know on one I'm at members can only delete their own posts.  That way they still retain ownership of what they wrote, but they can't just obliterate everyone else's input.  If they want the thread completely deleted they can put in a request to the moderators.  That does make more work for the mods though, as Halverson mentioned the trading post is a spot where it's a good idea to delete your post once it's no longer useful.  Some places have it where you can change the setting for just one area, so people could delete their threads there but nowhere else.  No idea if that would work here, or even if the moderators want to do so. 
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: Pat B on October 18, 2015, 02:40:18 pm
 Speaking of evaporating thread...I know someone that had a skin cancer taken off her nose and the Dr. used evaporating thread to sew her back up.  ;D
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: Urufu_Shinjiro on October 19, 2015, 09:32:26 am
I'm just glad you can delete your own posts, I made a joke the other day that I later realized if you don't know me could be taken the wrong way, deleted that sucker, lol.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: Pappy on October 19, 2015, 10:51:27 am
Yep seen it in the deleted stuff this morning, must have gotten his feeling hurt or something. :-\ When I saw it I looked to see if it had got ugly as threads sometimes do, but no it hadn't so don't know why he pulled it. :-\
 Pappy
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: Wooden Spring on October 19, 2015, 12:12:48 pm
I love discussing various means of producing a bow. Brainstorming with others invites literally dozens of lifetimes of experience to apply to any given problem, and I rejoice over anyone willing to comment positively (or negatively) over a method, especially when it can be demonstrated why said method does or does not work.

However, I took the thread down because there were a couple of responders who went from merely insulting the book and the physicists who wrote it, to insulting me personally as an engineer and an architect because I apply those very simple mathematical methodologies to making bows.

It has been my experience that when two children are fighting over a toy, you take the toy away.

I have written a 2-page document that is shorthand for the process however, and if anyone would like it, please PM me. I will not be an offense to anyone else by posting this online again.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on October 19, 2015, 12:17:36 pm
If we all stomped away when we read something we didn't like there would four members left. Take your ball and go home if that's what you want to do.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: JoJoDapyro on October 19, 2015, 12:44:09 pm
 
If we all stomped away when we read something we didn't like there would four members left. Take your ball and go home if that's what you want to do.

 :o

Sometimes the best medicine is learning that you may have a strong opinion, but that doesn't make you right.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: willie on October 19, 2015, 01:28:56 pm
PD-

did he just say he was taking his ball and going home? or just that he won't post on that particular subject again?

willie
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on October 19, 2015, 01:36:47 pm
I never had an opinion on his original topic, it didn't interest me one bit and I didn't post to it as a result. I'm only talking about deleting an entire thread because you don't like the comments. It's disrespectful to the people who did enjoy his post.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: Zuma on October 19, 2015, 01:37:59 pm
I love discussing various means of producing a bow. Brainstorming with others invites literally dozens of lifetimes of experience to apply to any given problem, and I rejoice over anyone willing to comment positively (or negatively) over a method, especially when it can be demonstrated why said method does or does not work.

However, I took the thread down because there were a couple of responders who went from merely insulting the book and the physicists who wrote it, to insulting me personally as an engineer and an architect because I apply those very simple mathematical methodologies to making bows.

It has been my experience that when two children are fighting over a toy, you take the toy away.

I have written a 2-page document that is shorthand for the process however, and if anyone would like it, please PM me. I will not be an offense to anyone else by posting this online again.
Not having a dog in the fight or even being an avid bow builder, I find
your explanation quite reasonable. I am always some what controversial
in my attempts to get on the same page as others because I am strongly opinionated and it is difficult for an ole dog to learn new tricks. :embarassed:
That being said, As much as I would like to be negative in some of my resposes
to others that I think are just being cranky because of their thinking---
I take five, chill and compose a post that helps keep things positive.
I hope others can learn to count to ten as well. Some times shaking hands
and starting over can cement some cracks in the chinking.
Who knows :-\
Zuma
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: willie on October 19, 2015, 01:39:44 pm
PD-
Point well taken, thanks for the clarification

willie
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: bowandarrow473 on October 19, 2015, 09:30:25 pm
Wooden Spring sounds very reasonable to me, there are always two sides two a story. But, taking away an entire thread that others may have enjoyed reading might have been going a little far, keeping peace is all about negotiating, if you felt that they were insulting you personally then perhaps a series of PMs talking about the problem might have cleared things up. That said, it's a thread, this is a forum, it isn't a big deal at all, no harm done and at the end of the day I hope that this hasn't discouraged WS from posting here for fear of being overly criticized. I would actually like to read your 2 pager describing your process, perhaps post it here so others can read, there is certainly a mathematical aspect to building bows, as well as a creative aspect. Without one, the other is useless and vice versa.
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: willie on October 19, 2015, 09:44:43 pm
b&a473-
click on that voice bubble thingy under his name in his post
Title: Re: evaporating threads
Post by: lebhuntfish on October 19, 2015, 09:48:44 pm
It's crap that an author can delete a thread after its populated. Nobody but mods should make that decision.

I totally agree. It should stay!

+1

The only exception might be in the trade section.
Patrick