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Title: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: Ryan C on September 26, 2015, 06:32:34 pm
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm165/jreefer454/F99915CC-30D3-42FC-AF43-2B2CE63E2A41_zpskumvb7nj.jpg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/jreefer454/media/F99915CC-30D3-42FC-AF43-2B2CE63E2A41_zpskumvb7nj.jpg.html)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm165/jreefer454/E98F2A65-6F72-4051-A1B1-3875CE8A5E80_zpstwxolnqp.jpg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/jreefer454/media/E98F2A65-6F72-4051-A1B1-3875CE8A5E80_zpstwxolnqp.jpg.html)
So I just reflexed one limb of an Osage bow using heat gun and a form I made and I got lots of little cracks on the back and belly. Will this bow survive and how should I do the other limb differently. They all go up and down and follow the grain so maybe it will be fine. I'm filling them with watered down wood glue as I dont have super glue right now. Thank you
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: Hrothgar on September 26, 2015, 08:34:36 pm
The longitudinal cracks aren't usually a problem. A lot of guys would use super glue on the cracks, another option would be to back it.
Is the top picture of the back, and the bottom picture the belly?
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: Marc St Louis on September 26, 2015, 08:45:22 pm
Cracks like that are usually an indication that the wood still has some moisture in it
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: bowandarrow473 on September 26, 2015, 09:19:13 pm
I would put some super glue into those cracks, Marc is right, it is normally because of excess moisture in the wood.
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: Ryan C on September 26, 2015, 09:22:37 pm
Both pics are of back I might put rawhide on under the timber rattlers I'm planning on using.
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: bowandarrow473 on September 26, 2015, 09:25:32 pm
Sounds like a plan!
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: Ryan C on September 26, 2015, 09:47:29 pm
Reason I added reflex/ heat treating is because the bow came in light.
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: Eric Krewson on September 27, 2015, 08:34:35 am
I have noticed that some osage is prone to cracking and resists heat correction, some you can twist like a pretzel with zero cracking. The wood I have in my shop has been there for years waiting to be turned into a bows, all is equally dry, no two staves respond the same way to heat correction.

Moisture in the stave may not be your the cause of the cracking.
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: rps3 on September 27, 2015, 02:06:46 pm
Cracks like that would not bother me one bit.
 I question how you know the bow came in light with a back needing cleaned up as bad as this one does. I personally would not be bending a bow until the back is smooth. No tool marks, and one growth ring completely followed.
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: Ryan C on September 27, 2015, 02:15:54 pm
It is on 1 growth ring. I finished the bow and it came in at 43@26 which is much better than 37 so I'm happy. It even held a little reflex.(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm165/jreefer454/0A64DC2D-9B1F-4570-97FE-FE2106FC5034_zpsoyubaihc.jpg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/jreefer454/media/0A64DC2D-9B1F-4570-97FE-FE2106FC5034_zpsoyubaihc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: PatM on September 27, 2015, 02:26:02 pm
You need to refine your growth ring chasing and general work on the back. Looks VERY rough.
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: bradsmith2010 on September 27, 2015, 03:01:32 pm
ok ,, your bow held up and looks like you got a nice shooter,, so how it looked is really not so important right now,, unless the durability is compromised,, if the growth ring is nice,, it could shoot forever,, so congrats on a nice looking bow,, that being said,,
in the future as suggested,, working a little more carefully on the back can help( and increase odds of success) on a stave that may not be as forgiving,, as staves vary dramatically from tree to tree,, a lighter touch with the draw knife can make things much smoother and avoid going through a ring,, takes a little more time but not much,,,I think your bow turned out great,,the snake skin looks nice,,,  :) congratulations and happy shooting,,  :)
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: Ryan C on September 27, 2015, 04:31:53 pm
Thanks guys yes I do need to be more careful on the back but I wasent worried about this one as the rings are very thick
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: bowandarrow473 on September 27, 2015, 10:52:13 pm
Let's see some FD pics!!!
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: gutpile on September 28, 2015, 10:09:44 am
looks like checking from moisture loss .. nothing to be concerned with will not affect integrity of the wood...gut
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: Pat B on September 28, 2015, 11:17:56 am
Any time I expose a new back I always seal it with shellac. I've had 10 year old(seasoned) osage check like in your pics when heat was applied. The shellac will help prevent the checking and can easily be remover. Also the shellac can take the heat where some other sealers can't. It will even take steaming.
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: bradsmith2010 on September 28, 2015, 12:05:09 pm
great advice Pat,, I have had "seasoned" staves sent to me here in the hight desert,, and started checking the day they got here,,, cant be to careful on a nice piece of wood,,, :)
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: E. Jensen on September 28, 2015, 12:09:37 pm
Us high desert folk just can't catch a break let me tell ya.  Same thing has happened to me a hundred times over.
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: Pat B on September 28, 2015, 02:13:20 pm
I keep a spray can of Bulls Eye shellac on my work bench all the time. Its a little more expensive than the dry or paint on kind but it is quick and easy for these kinds of application.
Title: Re: Cracks on back after reflexing
Post by: Pappy on September 29, 2015, 06:00:28 am
I get them from time to time,not as bad if I seal the back as Pat said. No problem as long as they don't run off the sides, super glue and move on. :)
 Pappy